Plato was Socrate student
•Older man taught younger man
•Beginning was Scorates -> plato- aristotle
• Oracle or priestess
• Taught socrates
• Unknown if she existed
•Socrates got information from a woman
o How do you relate love, beauty, love, virtue and wisdom?
o Immortality is the most powerful motivation for thinkers and humans
• Not the same as saying what is the greatest
•Goal of love and drive
o Is absolute: beauty and the greatest
o BUT: is beauty the best? Beauty is the "Greatest"
o Greatest part of ideas and enlightenment
Plato sometimes called beauty the "one"
• Beauty guides the the good and beauty
•Argument: cannot have good without virtues
Virtue is stable disposition of a person
• Is a passion or disposition
Can good be independent of virtue?
o Not relative to life or not either
o "higher" than virtue
• Can we put all four factors together
o Plato depicts socrates -> does not seem to have a position on Diotyma's words
o Plato pushes an intellectual view to us
Socrates never actually lays down a disposition
o Through love -> you gain virtue -> Through virtue, you gain knowledge, become
•Love: virtue -> wisdom -> knowledge of good/beauty
•Underlying drive for love = Good/immortality
o Immortality as a biological process