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Dalhousie University
PHIL 2170
Samantha Copeland

Wednesday, January 24, 2011 Symposium Socrates criticizes other speakers; To me it seems astonishingly clear, Agathon, that desire necessarily lacks what it desires and that without lack there can be no desire. How about you? (39) • Desire necessitates the lack of something in the thing we desire • Love itself isn’t beautiful, happiness, etc – it’s the seeking out of those qualities • What a rich person desires is to continually get richer, what he desires is something in the future • When we want something, we want it because we don’t have it; getting to the point ‘why we love’ at all • Have to agree love is not beautiful • So when you say you desire what you already have, don’t you really mean, “I wish to possess tin the future the things I have right now?” – wouldn’t he agree that this is so? (39) • Love is a means we take to satisfy other desires Socrates  love is the son of resource and poverty “As the son of Resource and Povety, this is Love’s plight:…” (p.41) • Touching on the darker side of love; whenever we seek out good or beauty we are loving • Love slips in when we least expect it; “love does not have what it wants [poverty]”, “love will try anything ex. Can’t get Matt Damon, get the guy who looks like him [resource]” • Creates a middle ground for love Love has a function: Love’s function is reproduction in the beautiful, both in body and in soul (p.43) 1. A lover loves beautiful things (42) [things that make me happy, excited, etc. – Halwani – ‘value’, good; hard to love things you don’t value] 2. All love is for the good (42,43) [I love things because they’re beautiful; expansion on the previous point. Repercussions: ] 3. Lovers want to possess the good forever (43) [Ex. Halwani suggests what he means is if I want something in my life, why not forever? You wouldn’t want it for 5 minutes – otherwise it wouldn’t be love. For Socrates the good we want is eternal.] 4. When we love, we reproduce the good, making it immortal (43) [In order to make the things we love last forever, make them immortal i.e. procreation. Strong theme in old Greek philosophy – ideas, thoughts, family names, etc. pass on into eternity. ] Truth, Beauty, Love – hierarchy • Concepts essential to Socrates; Platonic Theory of Forms – Diotima’s Ladder: (45) 5. Love of Beauty [When I’m loving beauty, I’m also loving Truth and Good – love has nothing to do with individual bodies – it’s a journey; a ladder stepped up; functi
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