October 15, 2012 Discussions of War
What is war?
Two definitions of war that are influential and how we can
Karl Van Clausewitz?
o “The Art of War”
The correlates of war project
o Attempt to unpack and determine the empirical
conditions that define war.
o found in WP chapter 3 beginning.
What does war refer to?
Direct violence between state actors
does invoke a set of emotional responses
o + - and intellectual
War is not always the “bad” thing.
o Ancient Athens, war was considered a displace of
Their version of “Superman” was Hercules
they idealized an individual that was a
warrior, they associated something good
with the idea of war.
o The Romans idealized the idea of war as well.
In terms of moral language.
they talk about virtue
In latin, virtu vir has connatations of veal,
imperium= empire, justifying conquest
Romantics..asthethic writers who want to talk about the
nature of struggle and how it can define our identities, or
clarify our idea of artistic…
o social Darwinism
o we should pursue struggle
o Nietzsche—the wield of power
Nazi—the war serves to establish your identity.
Kant- war is an engine to the spread of democracy
Helps develop ones culture (Odyssey could not have been
written without war) What are our major works concerning war today?
Momentable about the idea of war
Our attempts to define it are going to try and move away
from the understanding of war. Keep this in mind for Shelling
Point: war is not conceptually self-evident.
o “War on Drugs”
o “War on Terror”
What would victory actually be?
Attempts to render the idea of war intelligible
o different scholars define it differently
o GET NAME from Recording: historical method—tries
to generalize from examples that he sees before him.
War can be understood by having two dimensions:
In terms of ?
attempt to collect data
to allow for scientific study of war
o is this possible?
o 1816—the advent of the modern state system.
When people started taking social statistics
o Verifiable and concrete variables and conditions of war
o Survey history and find out when war is likely to occur
o Provide a definition based on history
work with the idea that War is an activity that takes place
between state actors.
o Potential problems: war can occur without state actors
War on terror
Intra-state conflict (civil wars)
o Limitation—state v. state belef
Try to find a pattern that leads to war
deep disagreements between states which can generate
crisses—from these crisis’ we can be lead to war.
o How do we draw the line—conceptually?
DISTINGUISHES CRISIS FROM WAR
Anticipate what’s coming next.
Regarding empirical findings the incidence of war in the 19 -20h thcentury are basically the
same, that said;
o system level war is greater in the 19 century than 20
BC the colonialism, the imperialist conflicts
between one another.
o Fatalities—most important contribution of this approach
Victors have less fatalities than losers
We cannot determine the # of fatalities that
we need to inflict upon one another to get
them to stop fighting.
Wars in Europe wages higher
IGO’s do not affect the adherence of war
Nations stop participating in inter-
gov’tal … during war and continue
Alliances have a negative effect in the 19 th