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PHILOS 2ZZ3- Lecture 2 notes

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January 5, 2014 2zz3 130 Eros once again limb loosener whirls me Sweetbiter, impossible to fight off, creature stealing up 130 different trans Eros the melter of limbs (now again) stirs me -- Sweetbitter, unmanageable creatures who steal in 47 Eros shook my mind like a mountain wind falling on oak trees 48 You came and I was crazy for you And you cooled my mind that burned with longing 38 You burn me • Is love different from desire? • Different forms? • Greek believe so and we are very influenced by this o Erotic love o Unconditional love -- true love o Love of friendship o Affectional love • We got a split between true love (influenced by Catholics) and infatuation and lust/falling in love o Sappho loves falling in love • Celebration of the physical and playful notion of love • These categories we create are not always distinct • Erotic and sexual is not the love we have for our friends -- is there sexual desire in friendship? • Love that god has unconditionally and that our love for god is pure • Can friendship love be the love we have for children? • These all overlap Sappho • Poems and sung • Only fragments remain • Interested in the space between you and the object you desire • Spaces that are left out are tantalizing • Love between women-- Lesbo island -- where lesbian comes from • What structures desire is pain and pleasure • About sexual desire but could be extended to others • Plato distinguishes between volgure and pure love • Not present here • We find an erotic dilemma -- defined by Carson • To catch beauty is not the point • It’s the craving after it -- chasing it gives us pleasure o To catch beauty is to understand how it is possible • Can we say we desire to experience love or love to experience desire? o Bittersweet feelings of missing a loved one • Carson says Sappho is the first to define Eros as bittersweet • Fragment 130 • Evokes pleasure and pain if you think of loosening limbs o Tension relaxing o Limbs being pulled out of joint • Desire disjointing • Sweet bitter is from a Greek term o Not actual chronological o But Sappho isn't describing the course of relationship but the hunt for desire • Simultaneous of pain and good o Desire comes from something else • Cupid -- possessed by demons  Intense experience-- creature stealing up -- foreign and whole life disrupted by intrusion of falling in love o So intense it has the taste of hate • Not an allies of friend  Does this jive with own experience --- is desire and enemy  We can think of love and hate together -- exist in the emotional event of amos together • *** ambiguity of love • The divinity of desire is a friend and enemy so the result is the erotic experience is full of emotional paradox • Experienced on the body-- physiological not conception o Will see erased in Plato • Dilemma -- body and sense experience • Fragment 47 • Like the illusion of the limbs • Erotic desire coming to take force • Shaking leafs • Mind is like this as though it was a physical body part o Experience -- feel being shaken • We are at risk of coming completely undone -- loosing self o Can't hold self together -- with all-consuming desire we experience • Hot and cold • Knocks love flat • Eros is like a lump of ice that melts in warm hands • Sweet fire -- burning with honey • Fragment 48 • Contrasts are evident of both pleasure and pain • Mind feels these sensation • No strict mind body distinction • Straight physical and mind feels these • Fragment 38 • About burn and rejection • Or is it about the burning of longing ? o Pleasure and pain together o Passion is hot • Passion is often seen through metaphors • Think about physical burn o Rest of body numbs o All consuming to the burnt part o When in serious pain rest of life is fuzzy-- consumed by. One sensation • Sensual crisis  Everyday life is difficult • Love causes 2 states of mind • Crazy and not crazy o Erotic desire is crazy making • Why and erotic dilemma? • Eros is about lack • Wanting what you have o Once you get it you no longer want it or need o Pleasure is in the chase • We can see this similarity in love o Beloved caught and pleasure is gone • Frag. 31 • He seems to me equal to
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