PHL105Y5 Lecture : Glaucon's Challenge Breakdown of the discussion between Glaucon and Socrates from Plato's Republic The breakdown includes what both Socrates and Glaucon agree on in regards to their concept of good as well as an easy to read overview of how Glaucon argue

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1# (357) glaucon and socrates classify the 3 kinds of good and disagree on the category that fits justice. Socrates" provokes glaucon to succeed thrasymachus"s abandonment of the argument to attempt to truly convince glaucon it is better in every way to be just than unjust. Socrates places justice within the same category as 1, being good for its own sake. Glaucon disagrees and places justice within category 3, being good from what comes from it: glaucon states that it is practiced for the sake of the rewards and popularity that come from it. Glaucon defines the nature of justice and injustice. The badness of suffering injustice exceeds the good of doing it: justice is: An agreement between people who have suffered and done injustice. Due to the weakness of individuals they agree that they should all decide against suffering. Is practiced unwillingly due to a lack of power to do injustice.

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