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Glaucon's Challenge Breakdown of the discussion between Glaucon and Socrates from Plato's Republic The breakdown includes what both Socrates and Glaucon agree on in regards to their concept of good as well as an easy to read overview of how Glaucon argue


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Philosophy
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PHL105Y5
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Jonathan Peterson

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Thursday, February 16, 2011
Course: Introduction to Philosophy
Study Notes: Glaucon’s Challenge
Author: Plato
“Glaucon’s Challenge” From The Republic
1# (357) Glaucon and Socrates classify the 3 kinds of good and disagree on the category that fits
justice
- Socrates’ provokes Glaucon to succeed Thrasymachus’s abandonment of the argument to
attempt to truly convince Glaucon it is better in every way to be just than unjust
- Both Socrates and Glaucon agree on certain kinds of good
1. The good for its own sake such as for joy, harmless pleasures
2. The good that comes from the sake that comes from it, health, seeing, knowledge
3. The good that comes from the rewards that comes from things
- Socrates places justice within the same category as 1, being good for its own sake
- Glaucon disagrees and places justice within category 3, being good from what comes from it
o Glaucon states that it is practiced for the sake of the rewards and popularity that come
from it
358
- Glaucon defines the nature of justice and injustice
o Injustice is:
Naturally good to do
Naturally bad to suffer
The badness of suffering injustice exceeds the good of doing it
o Justice is:
An agreement between people who have suffered and done injustice
Due to the weakness of individuals they agree that they should all
decide against suffering
Is practiced unwillingly due to a lack of power to do injustice
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