Q: Does justice itself (stripped of its consequences) makes its possessor happier than
injustice (stripped of its consequences)?
Kallipolis completely just city
- locate justice in that city, then locate that in the soul
Construction of the Ideal City
1. souls ruled by necessary appetites why eat, drink, have sex
o don’t fight for honour, nor philosophize to know the truth
2. the luxurious city unnecessary appetites introduced (without them, city is
o guardians police (to prevent war from destroying city)
o all members of city must specialize in the one craft they have the
highest natural aptitude
o education for his guardians
traditional: poetry, music
• traditional is first: should hear stories of heroes and
- injustice creates war and hatred can’t have it in a just city
- however, the people that are unjust are more wealthy, and happier, and have
- so injustice is required for happiness the ideal city needs to be happy?
What Must the Ideal City Have?
- guardians must be implemented for the unnecessary appetites
- cant tell the guardians stories about the Gods fighting, warring, plotting
against each other
- convince the people of the city that no citizen has ever hated one another and
that it is impious to do so
o like putting them in their own “cave” of darkness omitting
- God is good, not the cause of everything that happens to humans, but only
the cause of the good things that happen
o must find another source for the bad things that happens not God
- plans to lie to his people lying is bad, thus unjust
o how can a city be made on the basis of injustice?
- second law: Gods cannot change form (into something worse as they
themselves are the best)
o no stories can be told about Gods walking the Earth in other forms
- objective: make the guardians God-fearing and godlike
- must not talk of Gods acting in a “not so good” manner – drunk, limping, etc.
- must have the v