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SOCB43 Lecture 4
Weber Assignment is due Thursday Feb. 10, 2010
Religious Rejections (con’td)
Rationalization
Bureaucracy and Charisma
Science as a Vocation
Religion
-There are powers higher than religion world we are born into
-People begin to live their lives in this higher and power world
-We as human beings are tools/agents of God’s work and we need to carry out these
commands from god in our daily lives, in our world – Puritan
-We can also be passive, filled with god and we do that outside of the normal world
(convents, missions, etc) – Puritan Mystic
-What happens when people believe in the mystic? They live in a world similar to our
(economics, reproduction, etc) but there are things that are different.
-How do salvation type religions interfere with the norm? Weber fears these spheres of
conflict.
1)Economy – these religions that give these problems come into conflict with the
transportation of making money and the trade system. This creates impersonality. In these
religions, we are all brothers and sisters.
The capital ethic is impersonal. People don’t see who buys things/who they buy them
from. Treating a person as a number on your balance sheet is corrupt. You cannot love
these people as Puritans would like.
Puritans = love everyone Capitalism = profit of off everyone
Puritan Calvinist way is a solution:
- work in a calling – it makes a compromise with the world possible by renounce the
universal love of ethic for everyone. Focus on yourself and your state of grace through
your hard work. Select a part such as universal love, and give it up. Condense it to those
who help the economy. Make it an expression of your religious devotion.
InnerOuter
Active Puritan
Passive Mystic
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Mystical Response solution:
- drop out – if you have money, give it away; if you have property, let it go; it is all
meaningless and irrelevant to your salvation.
2)Politics – salvation vs religion vs politics; religions wants to bring heaven down to earth;
Aristocrats do not want to hear this becauseGod is coming for them.
The source of this tension:
- impersonality – comes from bureaucracy; they follow strict rules, no elasticity
- power – governments have a hierarchy of power; top/bottom, command/obey; the
salvation religions are about social equality
- violence – states exert violence and use it all the time; Weber’s definition of state
(whatever holds a legitimate monopoly on violence); goes against the ‘turn the cheek’
belief
- realpolitik – gov’t and states don’t worry about things like morality, they follow their
interests (reasons of state that go beyond morality); calculating geo-political interests;
this looks immoral to the salvation religions.
- patriotism – gov’t and states create deep attachments to them by their citizens; one of
the strongest bonds people have; they can get so powerful they riot religions and die for
their country over a religion
- states consecrate death – if you die fighting for your country you are at least dying for a
cause, you had a purpose; people can also die for God; salvation religions sees dying for
country and ‘brother killing brother’; what makes dying worthwhile – religion or
country?
Puritan solution:
Crusaders – we have a duty to impose god’s will on the sinful word; carry out god’s word
to those who do not have it yet;
Mystical/Pacifists, like Quakers
If someone wants to go to war, I won’t participate; turn the other cheek; live in the world
but do not partake in it
3)Aesthetics = Art – people are moved by it and it means something;
- anti – magic religions – salvations don’t believe in magic because the only
extraordinary powers come from god; art creates powerful experiences, euphoria and this
is dangerous
- meanings vs forms – salvation religions focus less on ritual forms (right clothes, words)
and more on the substance of your belief (that’s why they dress simply); external
trappings of beauty and art are meaningless
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SOCB43 Lecture 4 Weber Assignment is due Thursday Feb. 10, 2010 Religious Rejections (contd) Rationalization Bureaucracy and Charisma Science as a Vocation Religion Inner Outer Active Puritan Passive Mystic - There are powers higher than religion world we are born into - People begin to live their lives in this higher and power world - We as human beings are toolsagents of Gods work and we need to carry out these commands from god in our daily lives, in our world Puritan - We can also be passive, filled with god and we do that outside of the normal world (convents, missions, etc) Puritan Mystic - What happens when people believe in the mystic? They live in a world similar to our (economics, reproduction, etc) but there are things that are different. - How do salvation type religions interfere with the norm? Weber fears these spheres of conflict. 1) Economy these religions that give these problems come into conflict with the transportation of making money and the trade system. This creates impersonality. In these religions, we are all brothers and sisters. The capital ethic is impersonal. People dont see who buys thingswho they buy them from. Treating a person as a number on your balance sheet is corrupt. You cannot love these people as Puritans would like. Puritans = love everyone Capitalism = profit of off everyone Puritan Calvinist way is a solution: - work in a calling it makes a compromise with the world possible by renounce the universal love of ethic for everyone. Focus on yourself and your state of grace through your hard work. Select a part such as universal love, and give it up. Condense it to those who help the economy. Make it an expression of your religious devotion. www.notesolution.com
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