CLA160H1 Lecture Notes - Candaules, Boeotia, Krater

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Published on 14 Apr 2013
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60% 2 short essay questions
whether women in Greek world secluded… at home with no voice or rights where public space was
dominated by men…. misogynist? social relationship with men….
but on the other side…this is not the case.
answer is middle ground. actually, we know women were doing a bunch of things… thus what were they
exactly were doing? what does this mean?
suppose misogyny… why is it that modern scholars thought Greek men were marginalized and
misogynist?
there are notable examples. such as Semonides 7 (slide) different type of women as particular types of
animal. all but one in negative term. this was meant to be humorous and entertaining. not intended as
philosophical work.
however, Aristotle- historia animalium (slide)
very influential passage. there are gender role stereotypes represented (even in our society as well)
Xen. Oeconomicus (slide): dialogue between Socrates and Ischomachos* he is admired by Socrates' well
run household. he outlines details of different steps and part was way he trained his wife to run the
household. one of the key passages of talking about indoor and outdoor division of men and women.
interested in categorizing animal variations, socrtes and isch interested in more holistic-- idea of yoke…
dualism in humanity, the male and female operate inside of each other. but they are different. a slightly
positive sense than sex in hierarchy. there is emphasis on differences (inside vs. outside)
there are various rebuttals to the old view that 'this represented reality for every greek men and
women' viewing Xen as normal for everyone.
historiographical argument: because modern scholar was male dominated with low value of women in
historical records. this was due to the early scholar's education in classics…. written by men interested
to political dominant men. but this is not just mean women follow, it also include women, children,
elderly. all disappear.. thus its elites view.
one solution was change historical method. women represented in narrow ways but they are still
present. and other advantage is opening up other bodies of evidence. material epigraphic and visual
other types of evidence brining in new different discussion of women and their activities
GENDER ROLES= CONSTRUCTED**
(slide of gisela bok) in professional track, needed certain number of women and within scholarly
discipline, equal emphasis…. perceived gender as socio-cultural relationship. argue new way of looking
at women in the antiquity. women neglected… and now we should find them in history and study it and
equation will balance out. suggested look at gender as a relation* it is something continually negotiated.
subject to fluctuation. don’t look at objects but interaction and relation in the past. level of individual
and can be done at the level of groups as well. looking at greek women, they did have things to say.
relationship and negotiating and what it meant to be women.
thus, some women had things to say. ex. sappho lived in 7th C (slides) she came from notable family
exiled to sicily. her songs and poems talk about friendship, motherhood, and joys and sorrows
associated with those things. ex. friend getting married… sappho says that when her friend got married,
she was sad. saphho also writes about her daughter Cleis (slide) not only do we have sense of
motherly relationship with daughter… but a bit information of trade on Lesbos.
Corinna boetia. coral songs at a city at boetia. (slide)
Erinna 4th C poetess (slide)
gender as construction in these poems, we see that its created by relationships where women had
relationship with families, outside family…. thus family shapes men and women… and friendship shapes
who you are on how you act. you feel. community at large…. sense of contributing to political process
can affect who you are and how you feel as a men and women.
it’s a complex construction. (slide) Krater.
basically, episode where krater depicts agamemnon returning home and killed by Klemnestra
reverse, Aigisthos by Klemnestra…. Orestes.. (just look at the slide too tired to write)
gender is overlappnig with other categories ppl's appearance and objects using and holding and
ethnic affiliation with cloth and subjects…
Klemnestra, the one thing allowed her to get agamemnon to be killed is that she wore robe and put it
over him like a net* its transparent… the net does a number of things… weaving* women's work
entraped by object that was made by women and nets used for hunting… turned into a beast… net=
women's wilds and deceptions. qualities that aristotle described earlier.
on the other side, in the chair, he is sitting not standing. thus, not dominant in the portrayal. curled
beard and also dropped a barbatos. (lyre-associated with asian communities along asia minor) oreitnal
musical instrument… thus his clothing and beard… racial slur tyrannical, eastern, luxury.
in contrast Orestes is portrayed as warrior, youthful, a good greek men and a good greek citizen. what's
displayed is gender narrative. political and ethnic narrative… all tied up together. manliness, greekness
and free status are part of the package* submissive, being tyrannical, feminine, luxurious, eastern are
the other side of the scale*
when thinking about question of AGENCY, going further then looking at historical record what is women
presented? why is it interesting that women is presented. this is question of agency. what is women
doing? so we are not just amass passive objectified greek history but their activities and doing the
acitivies and ability to make decision, affect own circumstances and affect situations around them.
Herodotus had a lot to say about women who had active interests (who are from states which are
operating under kings or tyrants, and asia) at the start of history, he begins with episode (mainly to say
just how weird eastern kings are… women are powerful) (slide) king of lydia- Candaules in love with own
wife.. fairest women in the world. he was obsessed of getting his right hand made Gyges to agree with
Candaules. thus Candaules to hide in his bedroom as he was coming in and to see her when he undress.
Queen next day, tells gyges that either he die or kill his husband. gyges… kills king and takes the throne
and queen stays with slightly less crazy/sensible husband.
he goes on talking about number different ocasions of women act with high agency.
- Tomyris of Massagetai northern tribe…Darius
- Artemisia of Halicarnassus ruler/ queen appears on several occasion not only giving martial advice
but also leads naval battle
- pheretime wife of battos of cyrene
- daughter of otanes persian satrap
Gorgo daughter of king Cleomenes…
influenced by fathers' policy, or decision of their own right.
the idea that women were active has a good precedent in the text in herodotus.
when talking about agency, especially political agency of women… women in top strata of society
because its top of society to have power to make political actions (tyranny and oligarchy)
ex. Fornara 30.
there are polis involvements ex. Athens both parents had to be citizen for child to be citizen. indicates
that women were perceived as being able to hold citizenship. where in other states… men were only
citizens… in athens… even if they didn’t vote or attend, they were still citizens.
we also see women act in public such as cult, festivals, and important to know that they happened in
public in presence of men. ex. phasiphora.. is not the only time women celebrated in public.
*presentation* Fornara 96
- aspasia: wise and offer advice, influence in her community. states that Pericles took action to
Athenians to please her. she has political influence even though she was a women
- pericles was married and approval of wife, women did have some sort of say to seek permission (even
in divorce-ish?)
- reason plutarch was interested was through influence… beautiful, charming, clever… wants powerful
men (tyrants and kings)
- public speaking: seems to build her up and tear her down.
- pericles love was sexual rather than philosophical. yea… shes smart but that’s not what they are
interested in.
- mocked a lot in comedy (dog eyed concubine)
- (read the text)
Fornara altimen… luvre papyrus 1855
- only great miracle poet coming from sparta
- (just read it)
- lustful undertone
- perderasti
see different categories… looking at the chorus, attraction *think about it…* on the other circle..
attraction and envy overlap. attracted to everything… liking it and hating it at the same time.
who is he envious of? men or women? envious of women or men… is it both? yes, envious of both of
them. envious of the women… clearly got what it takes… envious of him because hes talking to her. all of
these things are playing around…. need to step back from defined categories of gender, attraction and
rivalry.
occupation and daily life: high status people (generally), and some of the things play in envy and rivalry
is in jewelry, and affects in terms of are you able to afford nice stuff? or dressing more humbly.
major debate with the question of daily life is the question of indoor and outdoor question
2 rooms… we are told in texts existed which we cannot find good archaelogoical evidence for. schoalrs
taking Xen and other testimony that women are indoor and men outdoor (slide)typical greek house
wuldve had inner room for owmne called GYNAIKONITIS* and mens' part of the house ANDRON-- where
men did their own stuff (symposia, drinking parties, entertain friends and maybe have courtesans (if

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Corinna boetia. coral songs at a city at boetia. (slide) Orestes (just look at the slide too tired to write) gender is overlappnig with other categories ppl"s appearance and objects using and holding and ethnic affiliation with cloth and subjects . Candaules. thus candaules to hide in his bedroom as he was coming in and to see her when he undress. Artemisia of halicarnassus ruler/ queen appears on several occasion not only giving martial advice but also leads naval battle. Aspasia: wise and offer advice, influence in her community. states that pericles took action to. Athenians to please her. she has political influence even though she was a women. Pericles was married and approval of wife, women did have some sort of say to seek permission (even in divorce-ish?) Reason plutarch was interested was through influence beautiful, charming, clever wants powerful men (tyrants and kings) Public speaking: seems to build her up and tear her down.