In but not out to be here but not included, in a space but not welcome: practices and places that shape in terms of state subject relations. What we have then is a privilege as it is not protected: legal discourse, language of law, presumption of innocence. Explicit social practices of juvenile probation that make the city a site of exclusion and limitation. These sites can produce more insidious sites of control, than being locked up. Punishment isn"t just mass incarceration, carceral states and geographies outside the state. Look to where the power of the state results in coerced mobility of the children. How coerced mobility of children leads to insecurity. Carceral apparatus extends to neighbourhoods, incarceration permeates outside of prisons. These are all practices that take place under the threat of imminent violence. Spreading incarceration through society, foucault prison as being set free works in institutions like education.