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Lecture # 7 Symposium Cont
Speeches go in the order of different points of view of love with truths people have
expressed earlier being brought back
Socratespg 37 hes here to tell the truth What is the truth? Two themes: Order
and disorder and the nature of the divine his speech is a retelling of what someone
told him about love, Diotima why does he tell a story that he himself that was already
told? The story isnt about love but its about the REAL children of love before he
begins his speech, he clears the ground pg 38-41love always have an object and
the thing you desire is necessarily something you dont already have he also
reasons love and beauty and therefore love must need and lack beauty figure of truth
pg 41truth is the thing that moves in between the questioner and the answerertruth
is something like the divine and it can stand in the place of the divinehe focuses on the
nature of the MIDDLE GROUND and mediation pg 43-44; love is in betweendivinity
and humanity cannot meet directly and the solution is the mediation of love the
thing that brings them together is rooted from philosophyDiotima refutes the concept
of the other half pg 47-48 and also the object of love is beauty pg 48-49 = loves purpose
is procreation b/c its as close as a mortal can get to being immortal and undying ; its
birth and procreation in a beautiful medium = the children
Socrates continued the reason Achilles sacrificed himself was due to his desire for
immortality pg 51pg 52; mental and physically pregnantpg 54= you love one body
but that leads to love the beauty of ALL bodies and then you love mental beauty rather
than physical, pg 55 constant and eternal love and like the rungs of a ladder
Alcibiades hes brought drunk in by human beings; could be something god like? 
Speeches are a repetition of the Dionysus story hes outside the sequence of
speeches because he talks about his love for Socrates whos the lover and the
beloved in his speech? = pg 63 the roles had switched around leaving him confused
the madness and the ecstasy of philosophy pg 64; Socrates has self- control inside him
Order and disorder, how does it appear? Was it always there? Did Alcibiades create it
when he walked in? Did Socrates create it when he questioned agathon?
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