Lecture

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Published on 14 Mar 2011
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POL200 Mar 10
Socrates doesnt deny that there are true philosophers, but each one had a story
They are born with everything, but give it all up for philosophy
Plato himself is such a philosopher
Justice was defined as someone who minds his own business
The philosopher is someone who minds his own business by remaining aloof from
the city
Philosophers are sane, but cannot act or persuade others
Socrates say that philosophers are the condition of such a regime, but now says that
such a regime is a condition of philosopher
This is circular logic, therefore it is impossible
Adiamentis wants to believe that a city with the rule of philosophers is possible
Socrates alludes that the philosopher himself wouldnt be able to persuade the gods
A philosopher would wish to devote his entire life to philosophising
It becomes a distraction for a good warrior but not a distraction in the sense of
Eros
The education of the philosopher ruler is different from anyone elses
Theirs must be a theoretical and must end in the ultimate question of good and the
idea of the good
After being educated in the noble lie, the are now educated in the truth
The good is that for the sake of which we do everything else
Socrates metaphysics is a projection of commonsense
Everyone seeks the good for himself
For Hobbes, the good is the satisfaction of pleasure and one can pursue it by
fulfilling preferences and desires
The good is merely the appearance of good
Its not about seeking the good, but avoiding the bad
For Plato, the good is what concerns us
Were not satisfied with something that only seems to be good
It is what we hold to, and above all its what we defend
The good is whatever is dear to us
Pleasure is not the appropriate answer, because there are also bad pleasures
The good is to be sensible
This is why philosophy is necessary
The idea of the good is in the intelligible realm
The idea of the good is the cause of the things in the realm of the mind
Good is the light of the mind, as well as the object of the minds seeing light
Each idea, including justice, participates I the good, without being the good itself
Knowledge is the ultimate goal of philosophy
The philosopher is fully aware of his ignorance
Glauchon is overwhelmed by this notion
Glauchon is persuades by this notion of the idea of a good
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He imagines as an overwhelming combination of beauty and pleasure
We understand that the life of reason is the life devoted to the exercise of reason:
philosophy
What is the relation of philosophy to the city?
Socrates recognizes that there are different types of good
An image of our nature is our education and our want for education, as well as
slavery
There is a vast, cave-like dwelling reminds us that our beginning point is not a
natural one
The more successful the education, the more we take these conventions for granted
Inhabitants of the gave live with an artificial light fire
They do not know that the truth they know is only a shadow of the thing
We dwell in a prison for our minds
According to the image of the cave, nothing is more difficult than being slaves to the
false opinions of the good
Nothing is more necessary to our happiness
If we leave the cave we would never return to it
He who does return to the cave, he could never rule in it
Glauchon sees life in the city is not choice worthy after all
He sees this as an injustice
Unawareness has to be understood as a crucial element of unhappiness
The philosophic type is very rare
It is the overwhelming fate of humanity to be subject to the conventions of their
time and place
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Document Summary

Socrates doesn"t deny that there are true philosophers, but each one had a story. They are born with everything, but give it all up for philosophy. Justice was defined as someone who minds his own business. The philosopher is someone who minds his own business by remaining aloof from the city. Philosophers are sane, but cannot act or persuade others. Socrates say that philosophers are the condition of such a regime, but now says that such a regime is a condition of philosopher. This is circular logic, therefore it is impossible. Adiamentis wants to believe that a city with the rule of philosophers is possible. Socrates alludes that the philosopher himself wouldn"t be able to persuade the gods. A philosopher would wish to devote his entire life to philosophising. I t becomes a distraction for a good warrior but not a distraction in the sense of. The education of the philosopher ruler is different from anyone else"s.