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Pheado Lecture #2

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University of Toronto St. George
Lloyd Gerson

th Phaedo Lecture #2, October 17 2011 • recollection argument: 2 impediments to appreciate the argument ;; -1. sensible (available to 5 senses) equals– 2. inclination to view equality as a concept or universal 1. equality with respect to another, property of being equal, quality needs a certain amount of 'stuff' to be equal: that same stuff equality represents unequal, same stuff could manifest opposites 1m : 1m – equal, 1m – 2m equal, logos of something: could be the same as something else, deficient in equality; compromised being 2. equality as a concept/universal : difference between concepts/universals and forms – concepts/universal are in your head, rules someone follows, ways of classifying in terms of sameness and difference, leaves out other aspects, concept of equality: what we imply when we talk about sticks and stones, concepts leaving out aspects only addresses what is relevant, -form not a concept, things are inferior to the form, they have affect on the world (concepts don't change/alter reality), explanation >whole point, instrumental casual role in explaining, equality explains how/why things are equal...universally out of the argument, cant judge thing to be in inferior to equality without knowing what equality is, we need to have known equality prior to embodiment to know if things are equal .: we must have existed with equality prior to embodiment, therefore soul lives without the body • Infinity argument: if want to show ability, best way is to do it, we couldn't know equality unless we were made of the same things as equality, immutable, eternal, unchanging, immaterial as equality is -unchanging, immaterial, eternal : indestructible (if unchangeable) – we must be immaterial to know the forms, which are also immaterial, eternal, indestructible, are we ourselves indestructible? - point of the argument to show our soul is athanatos -you need to be made of the same thing as immaterial to know them, why do we need to be made of the same stuff? -something that is material, cant know forms – Plato believes the soul is immaterial and we are our souls -how can you show that something material can know immaterial? -what would Plato say? What he
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