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POL101-Lecture
Civilian Violence and War
Ancient Greece to the Holocaust
- Ancient Greek philosophy is written in a way that isn’t familiar to us
- Thucydides in Peloponnesian War:
- War is normally thought of as state on state
o Talked about war between two countries
o Usually thought of as state on state
- Violence is usually the monopoly of the state
- Max Weberstate: monopoly of legitimate use of violence within a given
territory.
- Civil war is something different.
- Collapse of state: collapse of sovereignty
- Either no or multiple sovereignties
- What is the difference between civil war and revolution? (sequence)
o Most translations from translation historically called it the revolution,
not civil war
o Both are competing for sovereignty
o Decide which side gets one rule
o Ones mans revolution is another mans civil war
- very difficult to make sense of neighbor on neighbor violence
o it takes a lot to make people act like they would in Thucydides
writings
Ancient Greece
- civil war: family feud, fighting within a community
- Peloponnesian war: 30 year war
- World war because it was a war in the entire Greek world
- Era of city states, no over arching states
Pelopeonnesian War:
431-403 BCE
- Back-story: 480BCE, beating back Persians, Athenians led the way (almost
single handed-Delian league)
- Athenians held everyone together
- 479-432 BCE Rise of Athens versus Sparta
- Athens became very powerful
- Contrasts: land versus maritime, oligarchy vs democracy, military vs
commericial orientation
o Very different kinds of political orders
o Sparta was militarized society
o Citizenship rights
o Spartans: people lived under Spartan rule
Helots
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