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Lecture 14

POL200Y1 Lecture 14: Machiavelli, The Prince, Chapters 3-5
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His opportunity to rule comes from this change
Thus this problem exists in hereditary princes --> people seeking to
replace
Instability arises - men change in belief they will fare better, but realize maybe
have done worse
Seems different exist only in mixed
Hereditary prince is in constant danger of losing allegiance
Contradiction of Chapter 2 assurances
Likely outcome of friendship is for them to become dissatisfied -->
throw you out, punish only then AFTER you regain power (remain
a good friend)
Reward your friends, but not so much they become too powerful
Better to be betrayed than betrayer?
Treason is predictable --> you should really act before
Machiavelli says people only become friends to achieve common goal, it
would b contradictory to NOT betray - why is friendship taking priority
over the goal for which the friendship was formed??
Vindicates reputation as corrupted
Doesn't actually say this, it is implied
Friendship will always be subject to your good
Friendship
King Louis XII invaded Italy, lost Milan twice
Ancient Romans won and retained
Suggests superiority of ancients over moderns
Would act ahead, easily remedy - pre-emptive
Prudence of Romans in time of war
12: Romans had foresight of 'evils'
Contempt for his own time
Machiavelli: ostrich sticking head in sand
Need to pay attention --> prepare for war
Renaissance: enjoy life as it is, deal with problems later, soft-power,
peace
Louis is example : making others more powerful, trusting them to
support him, reward would come from somewhere in return for goodness
Romans 'best things are scarce, can't be shared, must be seized and
held' --> trust only themselves
Louis exhibits Christian morals - trusting men, etc.
Wanted to secure alliance with Brittany through marriage
Louis wanted George to become Cardinal --> power over
Europe through influence of Church
Power of Church as institution --> Louis couldn't get a divorce
Christian morality
All powers are mixed due to the power of the church
Louis doesn't understand politics
Relation to ancient - winners / losers
Chapter 3: Mixed Principalities
No references to contemporary Italy - no relevance?
All power in central authority (Ottoman)
Dispersed to individual occupants of land (Italy)
Machiavelli: all states of which memory exists are of these 2 kinds
Centralized are hard to conquer, easy to keep
Decentralized are easier to conquer - individual players to negotiate with,
harder to keep
Led by Church / Pope (he acts similar to King)
Is Italian centralized or decentralized? --> seems decentralized
Chapter 4
Lecture 2.2: Machiavelli,
The Prince,
chapters 3-5
January 12, 2017
2:00 PM
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Lecture 2.2: Machiavelli, The Prince, chapters 35 January 12, 2017 2:00 PM Chapter 3: Mixed Principalities Instability arises men change in beliefthey will fare better, but realize maybe have done worse His opportunity to rule comes from this change Thus this problem exists in hereditaryprinces > people seeking to replace Seems differentexist only in mixed Hereditary prince is in constant danger of losing allegiance Contradiction of Chapter 2 assurances Friendship Owe friends more than we owe anyone else Reward your friends, but not so much they become too powerful Likely outcome of friendship is for them to become dissatisfied > throw you out, punish only then AFTER you regain power (remain a good friend) Better to be betrayed than betrayer? Treason is predictable > you should really act before Machiavelli says people only become friends to achieve common goal, it would b contradictory to NOT betray why is friendship taking priority over the goal for which the friendshipwas formed?? Doesnt actually say this, it is implied Vindicates reputation as corrupted Friendship will always be subjectto your good Relation to ancient winners losers King Louis XII invaded Italy, lost Milan twice Ancient Romans won and retained Suggests superiority of ancients over moderns 12: Romans had foresight of evils Would act ahead, easily remedy preemptive Prudence of Romans in time of war Contempt for his own time Renaissance: enjoy life as it is, deal with problems later, softpower, peace Machiavelli: ostrich sticking head in sand Need to pay attention > prepare for war Louis is example : making others more powerful, trusting them to support him, reward would come from somewhere in return for goodness Romans bestthings are scarce, cant be shared, must be seized and held > trust only themselves Christian morality Louis exhibits Christian morals trusting men, etc. Power of Church as institution > Louis couldnt get a divorce Wanted to secure alliance with Brittany through marriage Louis wanted George to become Cardinal > power over Europe through influence of Church All powers are mixed due to the power of the church Louis doesnt understand politics Chapter 4 No references to contemporary Italy no relevance? Machiavelli: all states of which memory exists are of these 2 kinds All power in central authority (Ottoman) Dispersed to individual occupants of land (Italy) Centralized are hard to conquer, easy to keep Decentralizedare easier to conquer individual players to negotiate with, harder to keep Is Italian centralized or decentralized? > seems decentralized Led by Church Pope (he acts similar to King)
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