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Lecture 15

POL200Y1 Lecture Notes - Tyrant, Girolamo Savonarola
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POL200Y1
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Ryan Balot
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Example of Turks - Muslim Ottoman Empire
Used example two time : in chapters 3 and 5
Focus on going to live there --> best option, appealing
Either destroy the republic, or go live there
Holy new princes / principalities that last
People taught to admire / revere as supreme
Theme : greatest political examples
Why is Moses in this list? He doesn't belong.
Moses was a prophet, servant of god - incommensurable
Others from propane history, Moses from religious
Who is greater? - depends on one's beliefs, standards
Why does Machiavelli leave him in the chapter?
Wasn't a true servant of God - used religion as a way to
achieve the same ends as Romulus, etc.
What all political leaders have done is equal to what Moses did
with the help of God
Founders imposed order on original chaos, has nothing but fortune
and their own virtue
Moses is same : Moses saw oppression as his chance..'
Reading of Bible that excludes God
Acquire with different, hold with east - impose new laws /
innovate in order to survive
Moses political activity was a means to imposing God's law -->
Machiavelli says God's law was used for political activity
From biblical : true succeed, false fail
Doesn't matter to Machiavelli whether true or false, but ability
to enforce beliefs through arms
Those who rely on God fail
Therefore, Romulus / Cyrus are no more prophets than Moses
If enough force is applied, people will not just obey, but
believe
No longer believe, be made to believe by force
Introduction of prophecy : armed prophets succeed, unarmed
prophets failed - true prophets v. false
Lists founders of four great nations : Moses, Cyrus, Theseus, Romulus
Unarmed prophets will not succeed
Dominican monk, came to Florence - was powerful
If all fail, how did Jesus succeed? --> PROBLEM
Could say Constantine (armed) was responsible
Reminder of Jesus - greatest unarmed prophet
Savonarola
Chapter VI
Lecture 2.3: Machiavelli, The Prince, chapters 6-8
January 19, 2017
2:00 PM
LECTURE Page 41

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Lecture 2.3: Machiavelli, The Prince, chapters 68 January 19, 2017 2:00 PM Either destroy the republic, or go live there Example of Turks Muslim Ottoman Empire Used example two time : in chapters 3 and 5 Focus on going to live there > best option, appealing Chapter VI Theme : greatest political examples Holy new princes principalities that last Dependent on no one, but others depend on you People taught to admire revere as supreme Lists founders of four great nations : Moses, Cyrus, Theseus, Romulus Why is Moses in this list? He doesnt belong. Moses was a prophet, servant of god incommensurable Others from propane history, Moses from religious Who is greater? depends on ones beliefs, standards Why does Machiavelli leave him in the chapter? What all political leaders have done is equal to what Moses did with the help of God Wasnt a true servant of God used religion as a way to achieve the same ends as Romulus, etc. Founders imposed order on original chaos, has nothing but fortune and their own virtue Moses is same : Moses saw oppression as his chance.. Reading of Bible that excludes God Acquire with different, hold with east impose new laws innovate in order to survive Moses political activity was a means to imposing Gods law > Machiavelli says Gods law was used for political activity Introduction of prophecy : armed prophets succeed, unarmed prophets failed true prophets v. false From biblical : true succeed, false fail Doesnt matter to Machiavelli whether true or false, but ability to enforce beliefs through arms Those who rely on God fail Therefore, Romulus Cyrus are no more prophets than Moses No longer believe, be made to believe by force If enough force is applied, people will not just obey, but believe Savonarola Unarmed prophets will not succeed Dominican monk, came to Florence was powerful Reminder of Jesus greatest unarmed prophet If all fail, how did Jesus succeed? > PROBLEM Could say Constantine (armed) was responsible
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