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Ryan Balot
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Moves beyond the table of contents
"but because one becomes prince by 2 modes"
Crime
Consent of citizens
Princes from private station - not fortune or virtue
Virtue : rely only on your self, fortune : rely on others
"King of Syracuse from mean and abject future"
Crimes accompanied by spirit and fortune by body
Virtue and crime are not mutually exclusive
'nothing can be contributed to fortune.'
If one considers Agathocles' virtue, it is not below others, but not
the greatest --> praises virtue
Was Agathocles virtuous or not? --> seems he was not
Virtues : self-reliance, result in promotion of self, persistence,
initiative
Class of virtues (justice, honesty) which promote the good of
others, not self, Agathocles lacks
Due to split in virtues in this way, what is Agathocles? He is
virtuous or evil?
Enable to acquire empire - doesn't deserve to be celebrated
despite clear non-traditional virtue --> always had a bad
reputation
How did 4 founders succeed - same 'bad' virtues --> Agathocles is
not equal to founders due to reputation, wasn't evil ENOUGH -
no modes to convince that evil is good -- COMPEL belief
Not 'virtuous' enough, improve prophecy
Can he simply regard crime as a virtue?
Tyrant of Sicelese is similar to Yaro
Typical morality needs to be destroyed
Chapter VIII
Simply inevitable due to strengths of people
No one had promoted idea of state of people
Problem : people too narrowly selfish to support an innovative /
superior state
Machiavelli debunks old idea of virtue, less inclined to exclude people
due to lofty state
Ascend with support of people / great
Seem easier to satisfy, but still really are only concerned with
themselves --> they are just as bad
People merely wish to be unoppressed - desire small things
Great want to oppress --> are they bad / evil?
People v. elites (can't trust) - populism
People are sheep, need someone to protect
Congruence of people and Prince - people need someone to
protect them from the Greats, give Prince power
Rivalry between Prince and the great
Each sees other as means to ends
Notion of social contract - promotes purely selfish notion of
politics --> no one cares about common good, enter in contract purely
for themselves
Have to be able to punish / reward
Chapter IX
Lecture 2.4: Machiavelli,
The Prince
, chapters 9-14
January 26, 2017
2:00 PM
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Lecture 2.4: Machiavelli, The Prince, chapters 914 January 26, 20172:00 PM Chapter VIII Moves beyond the table of contents but because one becomes prince by 2 modes Princes from private station not fortune or virtue Crime Consent of citizens Virtue : rely only on your self, fortune : rely on others Can he simply regard crime as a virtue? Ex: Agathocles : hardened criminal thug King of Syracuse from mean and abject future Crimes accompanied by spirit and fortune by body Virtue and crime are not mutually exclusive nothing can be contributed to fortune. If one considers Agathocles virtue, it is not below others, but not the greatest > praises virtue Was Agathocles virtuous or not? > seems he was not Virtues : selfreliance, result in promotion of self, persistence, initiative Class of virtues (justice, honesty) which promote the good of others, not self, Agathocles lacks Due to split in virtues in this way, what is Agathocles? He is virtuous or evil? Enable to acquire empire doesnt deserve to be celebrated despite clear nontraditional virtue > always had a bad reputation How did 4 founders succeed same bad virtues > Agathocles is not equal to founders due to reputation, wasnt evil ENOUGH no modes to convince that evil is good COMPEL belief Not virtuous enough, improve prophecy Tyrant of Sicelese is similar to Yaro Typical morality needs to be destroyed Chapter IX No one had promoted idea of state of people Simply inevitable due to strengths of people Problem : people too narrowly selfish to support an innovative superior state Machiavelli debunks old idea of virtue, less inclined to exclude people due to lofty state Ascend with support of people great People merely wish to be unoppressed desire small things Seem easier to satisfy, but still really are only concerned with themselves > they are just as bad Great want to oppress > are they bad evil? People v. elites (cant trust) populism People are sheep, need someone to protect Rivalry between Prince and the great Congruence of people and Prince people need someone to protect them from the Greats, give Prince power Notion of social contract promotes purely selfish notion of politics > no one cares about common good, enter in contract purely for themselves Each sees other as means to ends Have to be able to punish reward
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