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Lecture 7

POL200Y1 Lecture Notes - Lecture 7: Noble Lie, Nuclear Family, Thought Experiment


Department
Political Science
Course Code
POL200Y1
Professor
Janice Stein
Lecture
7

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POL200Y1Lecture7Notes
ValueofUnity+Disunity
● Thebestcategoryofcityisonewhereit’scitizenscansharewhatthey(individually)can
consideras‘mine’ratherthanowningwhatisconsidered‘mine’
● Paininoneplacewillaffectagreaterwhole
○ Intermsofthecity,one’spainisthepainofallcitizens
● Civicunityshouldbelikeahumanbodyinthesensethatitfeelsthingssimilarly,ifnot
identically
● Athensisfracturedbytheinterestsofcompetingcitizens
○ Byendingtheseedsofproperty,theneedforlegaldisputes,fightsoverproperty,but
mostimportantlythepresenceofdissent,willendaswell
○ Theenvisionedplanofsolidarityisnowapossibility
● Victoryofpreservingacollectivethoughtisbetterthanall
● Platoacknowledgesthatourownbodiesaretheonlythingsforwhichastatewillhold
nocommoninterestfor
○ Othersconsidereugenics,nuclearfamilyabolitionandtheNobleLieworthwhileasit
sacrificesone’sprivatelifeforthebenefitofthepubliccohesion
Warfare,Nationalismand‘Warriors’
● Withoutcivicunity,anationcannotwagewar,conquerothernationsand/ormaintain
governance
● Theproducerswillnotdothis,butWarriorsandGuardianswill,duetotheirnature’s
virtue
● Everythinginawarrior’slifeisfortheircity’svalues
● AncientGreeksconsiderednonGreekspeakers‘Barbarians’
● Question(s):IsthereareasontofavourGreeknationalismovercosmopolitanism?
○ Isthisnotacompromisetobemadeinregardstoacity’sestablishment?
○ Socratesclarifiesthatthedifferencebetweenanenemyandafriendshouldbeladen
onone’sthinking
● ItmustberememberedthattheSocraticideaofthiscityisnoteversaidtobemadeto
suitpracticalpurposes
● ThereisadistinctionbetweenWarriorsandGuardians(Pg.8889):
○ Guardiansareasocialclass
○ Duringtheselectionprocess,Guardiansaretested;iftheylacktheintellectualability
torule,thentheybecomeWarriors(whatSocratescalls‘Auxiliaries’)
■ Iftheypassthistest,theseGuardiansbecomeRulers
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