POL208Y1 Lecture Notes - Thrasymachus, Polemarchus

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Published on 1 Oct 2012
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UTSG
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Political Science
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POL208Y1
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Study Questions (Plato, 344c)
- Polemarchus claims in order to be just, you need to know friends from enemies. Do we know? What are the
difficulties in understanding friends from enemies? Which Socrates takes aim?
- What sense does it make to claim as Socrates does that a just man would never hurt anyone?
- Thrasymachus-his significance=plays the accuser of Socrates; he foreshadows accusations which results in
Socrates’s condemnation and death.
- Of who does Thrasymachus accuse him? (Incompetence)
- What does Thrasymachus mean by irony? (337a) Agree or disagree?
- Is Socrates seeker of truth who ‘knows nothing’? Is he a hustler of life of mind?
- Agree/disagree with Thrasymachus understanding of justice (338-339a)? Does Socrates agree/disagree?
Reading
- Plato doesn’t have one specific view; question of justice-not one specific idea/view
- Need to take all perspectives into account
- Clash of ideas, therefore different opinions
- Understanding of world through clashes of ideas presenting different opinions (exemplified through
characters
- When reading take ALL characters into account
- Plato strips away the era of the people he writes about, he writes them as people
- Glaucan=Brother of Plato
- Weakness of reason in political thought? Start of dialogue
- Athens: greatest naval army at the time
- Wealth enables you to be just
- Without gods justice wouldn’t make sense
- Can’t treat people justly if justice isn’t understood. What is justice if you don’t know what is good for humans?
- How is justice measured?
- Who benefits from it? Page 10 (334A)
o Justice benefits friends and harms enemies
335A) The man who seems ‘good’ is a friend
334B) Humans make mistakes=one of difficulties understand ‘friend’ from enemy
335A-D) Does bringing justice to enemies/those who do ‘bad’ make them have justice or does it make them more
unjust?
335E) What is ‘owed’ to enemies just?
336A) Who decides what is ‘just?’ The rich ideas of bringing ‘justice’ to enemies sourced from those with power and
opinion

Document Summary

Polemarchus claims in order to be just, you need to know friends from enemies. Thrasymachus-his significance=plays the accuser of socrates; he foreshadows accusations which results in. Of who does thrasymachus accuse him? (incompetence) Plato doesn"t have one specific view; question of justice-not one specific idea/view. Need to take all perspectives into account. Understanding of world through clashes of ideas presenting different opinions (exemplified through characters. When reading take all characters into account. Plato strips away the era of the people he writes about, he writes them as people. Athens: greatest naval army at the time. Can"t treat people justly if justice isn"t understood. 335a) the man who seems good" is a friend. 334b) humans make mistakes=one of difficulties understand friend" from enemy.