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External Determinants

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Political Science
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POL312Y1
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John Kirton

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Tuesday, April 12, 2011
-competing schools of thought for essay
-case specific schools of thought of those who wrote on them
-much writing on cfp is normative and prescriptive, telling them how they can behave in a better
way..must avoid that , w hat cdn gvmt did and why..what why and description and prescription,
condemnation can be left to one paragraph at end
-4 phases in war in afghan, getting in to war 2001, getting out 2002, getting in evermore 2003-
2008, then getting out slowly/gradually
decision number 1(phase number one going in 2001-2002, FIRST DECISIO N DECLARING
WAR sept 12 2001), here two questions immediately pop up, where do we get evidence and what
do we do with it. much material we need is just not there. some of best info comes from memoirs.
relying on data, consistency matching(have causes/determinants and if its consistent with events)
fundamental decision to declare war, done at canadian initiative through nato, it was our
br ight idea to go to afghan.
Chretien, overseas canada was f irst to talk about article 5 in nato, number 1 off the
mark, next g8 summit be cancelled or moved thought ralph klein, chretien brushed that
off.chretien clearly chose g8 centric approach(diplomacy of concert) that is what
happened..
WHY: Determinants:
External determinants: -key external determinants of initiative to declare war by invoking
article 5 and by doing so immediately is by number 1 shock activated vulnerability of US, nests
of G8 and NATO, solidarity of america/Britain/france now also because of g8 italy and russia.
sheer shock. wto and pentagon being hit . for canada shock that aroused our vulnerability.
25 canadians killed. was it national interest that was at stake here? no. did US have high
salience? what about brit ain? france?
attack on very idea of existence.
international institutions: G8, martin at finance department...chretien with italy and russia.
NATO, certainly had high salience.
external world dont see US standing out in being most salient actor, see broader set
amongst countries and institutions.
Societal Determinants:
media, public opinion, distinct national values,
liberal party caucus?? parties, parliament, media(suppor tive in a unified way)
tv network news.
bush declaring war
foreign service(david wright) executive branch
Governmental Process
chretien relevant
operational beliefs, chretien let your lead ministers take the lead-dont do everyt hing
yourself.
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Tuesday, April 12, 2011 -competing schools of thought for essay -case specific schools of thought of those who wrote on them -much writing on cfp is normative and prescriptive, telling them how they can behave in a better way..must avoid that , what cdn gvmt did and why..what why and description and prescription, condemnation can be left to one paragraph at end -4 phases in war in afghan, getting in to war 2001, getting out 2002, getting in evermore 2003- 2008, then getting out slowlygradually decision number 1(phase number one going in 2001-2002, FIRST DECISION DECLARING WAR sept 12 2001), here two questions immediately pop up, where do we get evidence and what do we do with it. much material we need is just not there. some of best info comes from memoirs. relying on data, consistency matching(have causesdeterminants and if its consistent with events) fundamental decision to declare war, done at canadian initiative through nato, it was our bright idea to go to afghan. Chretien, overseas canada was first to talk about article 5 in nato, number 1 off the mark, next g8 summit be cancelled or moved thought ralph klein, chretien brushed that off.chretien clearly chose g8 centric approach(diplomacy of concert) that is what happened.. WHY: Determinants: E
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