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University of Toronto St. George
Political Science
Janice Stein

POL200 Feb 3 What does Justice say to us? It says no The truly just person must be someone who says no to himself Most just is one who will sacrifice the most Giving up what we want to accommodate what others want Justice is painful and it is questionable There are two ways of making justice make sense The first is what Glaucon wants to hear Justice is so great and good that it is worth the sacrifice of all other goods to it The man who dies just dies happy The second is what Adimantus wants to hear The sacrifices that Justice requires arent that painful Justice is actually pleasant and relatively easy Justice is a reasonable way of life The most obvious obstacle that Socrates faces is that they dont know what justice is Socrates proposes the construction of a city in speech as a way out of their dilemma The city in speech is not the point of the dialogue The point is to defend justice in the individual, and the goodness of the virtue of justice to the individual In the first stage, Socrates converses with Adimantus The city of speech arises out of the natural need of the body By nature, our bodies need different things We need other people to help us obtain them Human beings are naturally nature or naturally political Adimantus says this is all common sense The city as it fist emerges is a city of artisans and based on trade Socrates asks where Justice is and Adimantus suggest it lies in the needs the people have for each other But the question is left unsolved Everybody in the city is serving their own interests There is no justice in this city, because there is no desire to see to the others need Socrates leaves this suggestion from Adimantus hanging He goes on to describe life in this city It is pleasant, easy, tranquil and free of all evils Even death is not mentioned Life in this city is idyllic but a little dull This city reflects Adimantus, because he also seems to be an easy going person But Glaucon interrupts and says the city is impossible Such a city lacks relishes according to Glaucon Glaucon interrupts when Socrates describes the sex life and that there is no pleasure in sex in this city
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