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University of Toronto St. George
Political Science
Janice Stein

POL200 March 3 The benefits of the community of women and children Everyone in the city is one large family There is no one in the city who isnt part of your immediate family There is no tension between public and private, there is no corruption and dissection This city is free of the problems that are present in other cities Everyone will feel the joy or sorrow of the other Socrates replaces the body with a conventional one Perfect devotion requires the abolition of families and where the concept of family originates There is also a problem of incest, because everyone is everyone elses sibling All mating in the city will be within the immediate family In this city, everyone is a family member, and a possible sexual member This city requires that overcoming of the incest prohibition This is one of many intractable contradictions that define this city Socrates moves on to ask if this is possible Do they discuss its possibility? No, because Socrates changes the subject to the question of how to make war The city would play the role of the policing of all of Greece, if not the whole world If a government is manifestly failing to protect its own citizens, then its justified for an international community to intervene Socrates teaches a standard of this with a much higher standard A war to compel other cities to be virtuous is the ultimate war of choice Socrates evades the question of the possibility of a city of women and children However, Socrates always addresses the first issue in the guise of the second This suggests that the most victorious warrior may choose from a person of his choice to indulge his erotic desires It again falls to the rulers to live in constant self-oppression This dialogue suggests that communism is unnatural and therefore impossible This way, Socrates ultimately treats and rejects the possibility of such a city What was intended to be a means to discover the characteristic of justice in the soul becomes ultimately the goal The noble lie will become institutionalized If the city is impossible because it kills the choice of any man and woman, is it desirable? Would it be worth the price that one would have to be? Ad if its not possible, doesnt that confirm that its not worth the price one would have to pay? The introduction of the next questions launches this issue to a whole new level This may define justice in the city, but justice in the soul benefits itself alone What is the way of life that is synonymous with justice? What does the just man live for?
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