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Joseph Bryant

Jan 19 2011 - What is the sec church that Weber mapped out? How does he use that model for religious history?- new religious movement begins by a charismatic person. They are inspired by virtuoso very intense because you are not satisfied with tradition. Challenging religious religion to gets you in trouble so you must have confidence in challenging it. Weber said new religious movement begins with intensity and excitement, but if they are to grow there needs to be an increase of followers. Being more tolerant and open, and weber said that you can see that kind of transition from a sec religiosity. Sec reliousity means individuality that they are saved , but in church religiosity its more of the organization you have sacred texts, holiness. We use Christian for this models such as being baptized being sealed until Jesus arrivies, so that you will have salvation. - This however caused a pressuer within the movement because the followers were not successful wining followers from the jews and did not fit the profile of what the massayah was to be which was to be successful. So hard to convince the jews. Preaching a crucified Masaya is a tumbling block but some jews found this message appealing so early Jesus followers had to debate that in order to be a follower must you not be a jew? - The minimum requirements to follow jesus was no adultery or fortification-no sex outside of marriage, dietary requirements(most jew didnt understand so they thought it meant to stay away from bloodshed), the other requirements were (jews were having doubts that jesus is not returning and people are dying and still jesus has not returned) - So the delay of the peruziyah (jesuss second coming) was a problem- people were doubting, leaving the true path, going into satins order. - So if Christians beign to break the seal of the purity they get what chances are that jesus will return? People are starting to despair their salvation. - The Sheppard of hormaz- this text offered: a chance to be cleansed and if you broke the seal of baptism you will be forgiven again. This is after being baptized when you commit sin it will be gone away but must be done because Sheppard of hormaz said that jesus was around the corner. The problem with this long term thing was that he didnt come back! So the next stage of the penitential system was that it was just a window of time so the next step was a formal sacrament of cleansing called the pensantial secreumta the second cleansing. a back up cleansing being only a onetime thing- you cant kepp coming back for forgiveness, and this showed you are shameful you did not follow the promises. - By year 200 we have tis second penance! And the problem with this was if you told now that there is a second sacrament to wipe your sins and that it is your only one you will tell your self will when can I use this now? (not only Christians delay being baptized renouncing satin must be a conscious commitment) so tertalian complains that Christians are not only delaying their batisim but they are doing this because they want time to do sins and they are weak in faith thinking last minute is better to become purified and are not confident that they can remain becoming pure. The risk of delaying this is that you do not know when jesus will come (like a thief in a night) or that when you will die. So chrisitians juggled this: should I get batized early or wait but what if jesus come earlier?)- So around 216 , 217 we see another modification to the penance system- which was callistus bishop of Rome issued a ruling that the church could forgive this sin of adultery and fornification! This was crucial because this sin was one of the mortal sins. So the early Christians worked with mortal sins and minor sins, what made them mortal though? Sins against god and holy spirit that you got during baptism being a gift from the holy spirit of god making you live in the spirit. But if you committed mortal sin the holy spirit of god would leave you and youd do back to your dead self. So this now being a huge change. (callistus was said to have said these things but there are no record) .In roman church there however was a rupture Hippolytis the leader in the roman church-found this innovation so corrupting so he is elected as a bishop. - Christians in the time of chaliistus are mixed while some intense and less intense. So mass religious type find challistus better because they might commit adultery and would want forgiveness, while hyliptos finds this wrong. - The next step in this process in chritianity is in the middle of the third centaury this was more a crisis period of the roman empire beginning to collapse institutionally, there are plaques, the political system is losing stability, emperors come and go, money is becoming worthless, and to try t deal with that they take out the silver and gold out of the coins, and one of the emperors by the name of heresies being a hard traditionalist and believes that the empire is going through this crisis because he believes that they have lost tradition , and their old beliefs are becoming out of fashion. The reason while they were the greatest empire before was because they were the greatest religious believer of all time. So roman regarded their empire as a gift from god and when a society goes through turmoil they begin to revive their religion ad tradition, so heresies beg
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