Philosophy 3003F/G Lecture Notes - Lecture 10: Glaucon, Aporia

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Can be related to intrinsic vs. extrinsic discussion. Ends in aporia (puzzle) similar to early dialogues. Glaucon (plato"s older brother) you should be just merely to not suffer injustice: show me that justice is better than injustice , justice = socially constructed (359a) It is relational: we are so equal in power it is hard to suppress each other, golden rule-ish. I won"t steal from you if you don"t steal from me". Socrates: it is better in every way to be just (rather than unjust) If we are just, we aren"t giving anything up because justice is best. Good in and of itself vs. instrumentally good. Socrates: justice is among #2 ( the finest goods ) Defending by appealing to its consequences (glaucon) Though experiment about stripping the consequences and seeing if it is still valuable. Thought experiment #1 - 359d-360b = ring of gyges". Though experiment #2 - 360b = 2 rings.

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