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class 2 - killing in war lecture 1 • Fullinwider  if war is going to be just war, should not kill noncombatants even though not in law • Looks at bad argument for position he agrees with first  analyzing Anscombe & Ramsey • Defends same

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PHIL 2075
Kristin Andrews

class 2 - 1 killing in war lecture 1  Fullinwider  if war is going to be just war, should not kill noncombatants even though not in law  Looks at bad argument for position he agrees with first  analyzing Anscombe & Ramsey  Defends same position, but premises will be different  Eg. Cannot kill guilty bystanders, based on principle of self-defence  Fullinwider thinks only self-defence justifiable, critic thinks punishment to counter his argument  Response to counterargument o Warfare techniques, poor technology doesn’t permit discriminate bombing, guarantee we are only killing guilty noncombatants, probably kill innocent ones as well, just no technology advance to kill guilty o Alright to kill guilty, if technology improves and guarantee only kill guilty o Not negotiable that noncombatants who are innocent should never be killed, required no matter what o A noncombatant that is innocent cannot be killed o Counter-argument #5, is it soldiers’ duty to kill guilty noncombatants? o Is death penalty justified for those guilty noncombatants? o These two points Fullinwider could have pressed to stay with immunity thesis without weakening it at all o Killing noncombatants at war is never justified even when they’re guility b/c killing in war is killing by soldiers o And noncombatants at war ought to be punished but through some means of court o Soldiers have job of following orders o Judges and juries have the job of punishment class 2 - 2 killing in war lecture 2  Recall  Fullinwider defence of the immunity thesis was based on principle of self-defence, thought mapped onto morally relevant distinction between combatants & non-combatants, unlike the principle of punishment  Alexander  argues principle of self-defence does not map onto morally relevant distinction between combatants & non-combatants  Alexander is critical of Fullinwider’s claim that we ought not to kill innocent non-combatants, b/c it’s not a morally relevant category, goes about by looking at Smith & Jones case, is disanalogous to case of war  Creates new argument that permits killing non-combatants in some circumstances, does this to show there is no salient distinction between combatant & non-combatant as far as warfare goes  Considering how we should act, who should be killed, talking about ppl as non-combatants or combatants is not morally relevant  Suppose mobsters sitting across street & Jones knows what is going on o Fullinwider’s says Jones is not permitted to kill mobsters but says this b/c war is over, compare this situation to combatants in a war that is ongoing o Alexander said there are many distinctions,  Fullinwider’s case  wrong because war is over, wrong for Jones to kill mobsters, unless mobsters starts shooting, self defence for Jones  Alexander says  said this is not analogous to killing a non-combatant in an ongoing war situation  Question is: whether or not during war it is permissible to kill a non-combatant? Nobody argues it is permissible for soldier to kill non-combatant when war is over  Alexander criticizes Fullinwider’s for making straw man argument, Smith & Jones is so unlike war, attacking a position that nobody holds  The case & point is whether it’s permissible to kill a non-combatant during an ongoing war?  We would have to ask if it’s permissible for Jones to kill mobsters instead of killing Smith.  Suppose Jones sees mobsters sitting in the car & have a gun aimed at Smith so Jones knows that the only reason Smith is doing this is because of the mob
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