PHILOS 25A Lecture 13: PHILOS 25A Lecture 13 (Republic Book II Part 1) (September 29, 2014).docx

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Challenge: glaucon"s challenge, glaucon takes up thrasymachus" position, arguing strongly in favor of moral relativism in order to induce socrates to convince him otherwise. Do you want to seem to have persuaded us that it is better in every way to be just than unjust or do you want to truly convince us of this? . Threefold distinction of types of goods (i) (ii) (iii) Good only for their own sake (e. g. pleasure) Good for their own sake and for the sake of their consequences (e. g. health) Good not for their own sake, but only for the sake of their consequences (e. g. going to the dentist) According to glaucon, most humans would place justice in the third category. Humans only follow laws because they don"t want to be punished for it. If there were no consequences, they would commit injustices all the time. Socrates disagrees, placing justice in the second category.

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