ENGL 221 Lecture 12: Plato, Phaedrus (2) notes

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Phaedrus begins with a seemingly non-philosophical conversation: socrates greets - Phaedrus replies: he has spent the morning in the city listening to a speech. Socrates famously never left athens, except when on military service, but here he seems to be fond o the countryside (description of its beauties) Plato"s socrates is aways hostile towards the orators of his time and, in general, the study of rhetoric. Phaedrus: lysias" speech: phaedrus delivers lysias" speech from a written copy he has brought with him in order to memorize it, a. Socrates" first speech: same topic as lysias"s speech, claims no knowledge of rhetoric but inspiration from past author. Why does socrates deliver rst a bad speech and then a palinode, a good one. wants to make it very evident that lysias"s thesis is unattainable. 1st speech, beating lysias at his own game, offering a better-constructed speech.

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