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PHIL 001
Gillian Ramsey

Philosophy Notes – Friday, April 19, 2013 Last class: Started learning about Confucianism and basic concepts • This text is a translation; words we translate into English won’t always have the same meaning • Both the Republic and Confucian text talk about virtue, but different in each case • 2.1 – Virtue seems like a goal / overarching picture (Confucius) vs. good characteristic (of people/fulfilling needs well) • Confucius text – seems to be about presence and somebody’s power • Plato text - Virtue enables it to a function to enable it to perform well • De (somebody’s power given the normative rights and obligations) • Professor has de in which he assign grades; we have de so we have to show up for class or we’ll have repercussions • Compared to the pole star • All stars move around it • The whole society will revolve around the ruler • Be suspicious of what the particular words are doing • Professor Ramsey recommends when reading, flag parts you don’t understand, don’t seem clear to you • Go back to back of the book and look for the term • Go to glossary “Important Terms” • Talk to Professor Ramsey of how the words work • Plato’s just person is composed of reason, desire, and spiritedness • When a person has a well-ordered psychology, they’ll be just • In the extreme case, she is socially isolated • Social ties are not constitute (a part of) of the Good life in the platonic sense • Parents Siblings • Zhong + Shu = Ren (Moral ideal for Confucian) • Kongzi recognizes that people are not (socially) equal because of our social roles. • Li (norms/rules) govern one’s social roles. • The norms of one’s social roles prescribe what one should do in certain situations. • Think of your social roles in family (eldest son, brother, spouse) • These change and shift • What does it mean to be a good eldest son, brother, spouse? • These are some of the norms involved in those social roles • zhong – (dutifulness social roles) acting in accordance with the norms/rules that govern a particular role. • Devotion/duty towards the social role(s) one occupies • Focus on one’s moral duties and obligations (demands on oneself) rather than one’s rights and entitlements (demands on others) • Involves loyalty or faithfulness to a task/activity/role. • If Professor Ramsey sees someone cheating, he owes an obligation to the institution of marriage, despite an obligation to friend • Focus on demands on you as opposed to what you’re entitled to, which puts demands on others • Think about this as being a parent (obviously, your children owe you respect) • A parent would be more concerned what they owe to their child • Different from our concept of duty • Zhong governs our interactions with people above and below our situation… Difficulty with reading the Analects; you start to learn the personalities of Confucius’ disciples • 1.11 – we have very little context; we don’t know who Confucius is speaking to • Significance of what he’s saying • Say he’s speaking to a disciple • Confucian mourning period is 25 months long (3 years) • Rules you should follow • Shows difference between how we act with and without zhong • Getting two instances – getting when the person’s father is still alive (owes a lot to his father in terms of zhong and rules of li still applying to interactions – observes what he wants to do (intentions)); may be in conflict with father • When his father passes away, observe conduct (see how he would’ve acted); when father alive, zhong and li guiding son’s behavior; but when dead, zhong and li disappear and no longer guide person’s behavior • Book 10 is Confucius in action • We see how Confucius follows various li, acts with zhong and shu • 10.2 – reacts to superiors and subordinates in
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