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Political Science; September 14, 2011; First lecture
Political Theory
this is a sub field of the study of political science
political philosophy and political theory
how things actually work in the realm of politics
not how politics works but more with the idea of how politics should work
describing and explaining what are political facts
to explain something is how to explain political facts came into being
Explain
Normative theorizing of politics
how politics should work
what should politics and the goal of politics be?
giving the ppl what they want
should all adults be treated politically equal?
or only those who are involved in the political structure
should political society be with the growth of the common or social justice or injustice
should
property be protected by the state or all to be
the cannon of political theory the works and corner stone of political theory
an influences of a particular text “ ancient law and words ever new changing you me”
some historical political structure will offend the ideals of past and former liberal
democratic society, and this is for you exist and have been raised in a Liberal democratic
society
political theory that are alien and foreign to our way of thinking is for it bring to light the
comparative nature of our society and what makes up or society
everybody is equal, is everybody equal really when it comes to politics
moral assumptions
moral standard are the matter of individual choose, and we should respect they're moral
standard
then should we be allowed and aid each persons moral standard, but what is done when
that indiv impedes another rights and others moral standards
always treat ppl justly
are you really sure you should be treated justly all the time in each case and scenario
the search for justice and mercy should be
we all see the world through filters
filters which tend to block what things actually are and how they are suppose to be
for both its virtues and its flaws
The republic of Plato
Meaning of justice and about the right way to live
Addressing the relationship of philosophy, demand of politics
Plato born before 28BC and died at 80.
Distinguished aristocratic family
Member of Socratic service; engaged in debate with Socrates
Influence of Socrates was great; essential figure in republic
Socrates; he was a historical character, Athenian character, executed in 399 BC, poor in
his old age, uncover what wisdom actually was, was essentially prompted and Socrates
was the wisest; sent out to disprove the oracle that he was the wisest man. Ask people
what they thought what was right to do, what was justice, challenged them in a way that
irritated them, his task was to unveil true wisdom about justice, he was eventually
brought up for 2 charges; pol corrupting the youth of Athens (political charge), accused
of not believing in the Gods recognized in the city of Athens, he was sentenced and
executed…dialogue was about historical character, second is a character in Plato’s
dialogue. We don’t know for sure of the dialogue in Plato represent the real Socrates.
We are not concerned with the real, but with the character represented in Plato
Plato’s use of the dialogue form, refer to it as a dialogue, not a novel.
This begins with a serious of discussion about the meaning of justice and the way to
live…the dialogue form the author offers messages in more than one way, first of all he
offer in explicit proposition form which is readily accessible to you..secondly, is more
implicit/hidden and the author will try to put across dramatic context of dialogue, you get
descriptions of characters/how they behave/how they relate to each other…violates or
contradicts. May be intended to supplement or to contradict what the offer has said
through; pg. 29. Socrates gets the better of him in a debate. What are we to make of the
character blushing?
Two messages; logical order proposition form, or the implicit dramatic form..why does he
write with two different speeches? One reason he is engaged in a hidden form of writing
to obscure his real thought to the masses and reveal them to draw intelligible to masses
and speech that is intelligible only to the insiders group…most of the speech is speech
that is intended only for the select few.
The theme in the republic is what is justice? What is the right thing to do? Society to do?
The concept of justice is a character in the first book; various conventional views of
justice; criticized by Socrates…conventional by the use of justice that was dominate by
the Athenian society at the time..3 participates in the dialogue. They have their own
views of justice…Socrates tends to points out weaknesses in each of the views, he does
so my leading the audience to believe that the conventions are not wisdom,
knowledge…one stage of the argument in book 2 Socrates finds out that his arguments
of conventional justice was not persuasive…two were Plato’s brothers who challenged
him to do nothing less, 1 that justice is good, not for any advantage but for it is good in of
itself, 2 to prove that it is right to be just in reality..
Socrates answered to the challenge, he sets out to prove that it is good for people to be
just whether it brings advantages or disadvantages in reality.
Socrates develops a model of pol/soc justice that involves 3 classes of people; 1 rulers
of the just society, the wise who seek knowledge and apprehend what is good and true
and right, 2. Helpers of the rulers who are the auxiliary; protect social structure of society
itself.. 3 are the producing/money making classes which function is to produce the
material goods of society..the just individual is also composed of three parts; rational- to
rule, spiritual- courageous, spiritual- and having mind heart and desires
Main concern is not the contract of society but to understand the just in the individual…
live justice individually…purpose is to warn idealistic young people of trying to inform a
just society…discourage to build just society on earth.
Book I
-four participants; Socrates, Keflis, Polincous, vzificis
-conventional views of justice; these doctrines of justice are drawn from existing views of
justice dominate in Athens; humanly constructed views; they are not given by Gods,
nature, reflective reason..which means they are cultural/dominate views.
-what are conventional views of justice dominate in NA society
-don’t cheat or lie; conception of what is right to do, morality.
-my country or my family or my race or my ethnic view, party right or wrong…
whatever they do I find right, whatever they don’t do I find wrong; nationalism;
morality which people associate with the
-whatever is good for me is right; the morality of course is you should look after
number one
-when it feels good, do it if you can get away with it.
-the discussion of the republic have relevance to us today.
-socrates becomes critical to these views of justice; he is being critical of the moral
outlook in his own society, in effect he is in subversion of society of morality; his critics
are of considerable relevance because they are subversive of our own realities; this
doesn’t mean we should share the same views but understand them well enough to
create our own alternate conception of justice.
First Debate: justice
-discussion initiated by Socrates and kefilis;
-kefilis is a very pirous man, he finished his sacrifice of his god and to other gods, he is a
socially gracious person, he is old, retired, and successful business man, we know he likes or
claims to like listening to speeches…the entire dialogue of Plato takes place in his house

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Political Science September 14 2011 First lecturePolitical Theorythis is a sub field of the study of political sciencepolitical philosophy and political theory how things actually work in the realm of politicsnot how politics works but more with the idea of how politics should workdescribing and explaining what are political factsto explain something is how to explain political facts came into being ExplainNormative theorizing of politicshow politics should workwhat should politics and the goal of politics begiving the ppl what they wantshould all adults be treated politically equalor only those who are involved in the political structureshould political society be with the growth of the common or social justice or injusticeshould property be protected by the state or all to be the cannon of political theory the works and corner stone of political theoryan influences of a particular textancient law and words ever new changing you mesome historical political structure will offend the ideals of past and former liberal democratic society and this is for you exist and have been raised in a Liberal democratic societypolitical theory that are alien and foreign to our way of thinking is for it bring to light the comparative nature of our society and what makes up or societyeverybody is equal is everybody equal really when it comes to politicsmoral assumptionsmoral standard are the matter of individual choose and we should respect theyre moral standard then should we be allowed and aid each persons moral standard but what is done when that indiv impedes another rights and others moral standards always treat ppl justly are you really sure you should be treated justly all the time in each case and scenariothe search for justice and mercy should be we all see the world through filters filters which tend to block what things actually are and how they are suppose to be for both its virtues and its flawsThe republic of PlatoMeaning of justice and about the right way to liveAddressing the relationship of philosophy demand of politicsPlato born before 28BC and died at 80 Distinguished aristocratic familyMember of Socratic service engaged in debate with SocratesInfluence of Socrates was great essential figure in republicSocrates he was a historical character Athenian character executed in 399 BC poor in his old age uncover what wisdom actually was was essentially prompted and Socrates was the wisest sent out to disprove the oracle that he was the wisest man Ask people what they thought what was right to do what was justice challenged them in a way that irritated them his task was to unveil true wisdom about justice he was eventually brought up for 2 charges pol corrupting the youth of Athens political charge accused of not believing in the Gods recognized in the city of Athens he was sentenced and executeddialogue was about historical character second is a character in Platos dialogue We dont know for sure of the dialogue in Plato represent the real Socrates We are not concerned with the real but with the character represented in PlatoPlatos use of the dialogue form refer to it as a dialogue not a novelThis begins with a serious of discussion about the meaning of justice and the way to livethe dialogue form the author offers messages in more than one way first of all he offer in explicit proposition form which is readily accessible to yousecondly is more implicithidden and the author will try to put across dramatic context of dialogue you get descriptions of charactershow they behavehow they relate to each otherviolates or contradicts May be intended to supplement or to contradict what the offer has said through pg 29 Socrates gets the better of him in a debate What are we to make of the character blushing Two messages logical order proposition form or the implicit dramatic formwhy does he write with two different speeches One reason he is engaged in a hidden form of writing to obscure his real thought to the masses and reveal them to draw intelligible to masses and speech that is intelligible only to the insiders groupmost of the speech is speech that is intended only for the select fewThe theme in the republic is what is justice What is the right thing to do Society to do The concept of justice is a character in the first book various conventional views of justice criticized by Socratesconventional by the use of justice that was dominate by the Athenian society at the time3 participates in the dialogue They have their own views of justiceSocrates tends to points out weaknesses in each of the views he does
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