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University of Toronto Scarborough
Cathal O Madagain

Death 1) Lucretius says that we feel fear because we feel that in reality and the stories (the rock of Tantalus, the birds of Tityos, the furies) discussed are exaggerated reality. He says even if the story doesnt exist in real life, their fear of negative feelingsexperiences are overextended and projected in these stories. His example is when Carthaginians attacked the Greeks; the Greeks were unaware of it so the Greeks didnt care. So are the Greeks harmed? No harm has been done until you experience it and someone to hurt you, you need to know about it, and therefore person must exist in order for someone to hurt them. When someone is dead they dont exist, so they cant experience sadness, yearning or have desires. He believes that it is irrational to fear death since you cant be wrong in any way when you are dead. Overall, he says dont be afraid of death since you dont exist which means its not wrong to be dead. What about grieving death? He thinks its useless, dead person cant suffer so no point of grieving. Since dead person cant suffer, its irrational to grieve death. Just like when you dont worry about a person before birth, after death, you shouldnt worry about it either (first assumption). Only kind of harm is experiential harm (= you have to experience in order to be harmed) according to Lucretius (second assumption). If there exists unhappiness and suffering, the person must also himself exist at that same time, for evil to befall him (Lucretius p.24) 2) Nagel agrees to the Lucretius on how just like we dont feel bad for someone not existing before birth , we shouldnt feel bad for someone not existing after they die. However, he adds additional points about negative views of death which are: Even if he agrees to the quote but he says the existence after death (post mortal) and before death (prenatal) are two different things because while you cant harm someone who doesnt exist yet, you can harm someone who did exist through meaningfulness harms. He also says death could possibly harm us. He believes in that you can experience harms even if you dont experience it such as meaningfulness harms (= can harm your goals and plans even if you dont exist to experience them). Examples of this are spreading lies, cheating on you without you knowing, destroying your work all without your knowledge. Life is the kind of thing that once you have it, the more you have of it the better. Death is always harming if it interferesdeprives your plans. Overall, he believes death can harm us by sabotaging our plans even when you dont experience it. Nagel indicates that one can be harmed by e- harms in the passive side of their life (what we experience like accidents, medical
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