POL200Y1 Chapter Notes - Chapter 1: Human Nature
Cannot ignore political differences
i.
Both real and a metaphor / image for the war and how everything broke down
a.
Plague
1.
Narration: Thucydides describing
i.
Speeches: given by characters
ii.
Intention, how things are placed, how people are placed, what context --> people
aren't just saying things
1)
Not what Thucydides thinks --> to understand what he thinks, must work through both
speeches and narration
iii.
2 types of Speech
a.
References
b.
Background
2.
Piracy because there were no walls
i.
Decline from Golden Age - Thucydides disagrees: we not have walls, ships and money
ii.
No one was doing anything great because they didn't think it would last
iii.
Image of progress
iv.
What life was like before the war
a.
Growth of Athenian power and Spartans fear of it
i.
Truest cause of war
b.
Archaeology
3.
Progress
a.
Sparta v. Athens
b.
Themes
4.
Athenians empire and Spartan empire fighting
a.
Corinthians encouraging war
b.
Who is speaking?
i.
To whom?
ii.
Purpose / motive
iii.
Appeals / tactics used in their speech
iv.
Successful - what is result of their speech?
v.
Comparison (to partner and narrative events)
vi.
Speeches
c.
Want to provoke war
i.
Shame the Spartans because it is their fault the Athenians are growing in power
ii.
Athens: bold, energetic, daring, exploring, innovative, democratic
1)
Afraid of what they might lose, paranoid of slaves
a)
Spartans: cautious, conservative, lazy, traditional, militaristic, fear
2)
Compare:
iii.
Example of Corinthian speech
d.
Spartan Debates
5.
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Both real and a metaphor / image for the war and how everything broke down i. Not what thucydides thinks --> to understand what he thinks, must work through both speeches and narration. Intention, how things are placed, how people are placed, what context --> people aren"t just saying things b. What life was like before the war i. ii. iii. iv. Decline from golden age - thucydides disagrees: we not have walls, ships and money. No one was doing anything great because they didn"t think it would last. Growth of athenian power and spartans fear of it. Shame the spartans because it is their fault the athenians are growing in power. Spartans: cautious, conservative, lazy, traditional, militaristic, fear a) Afraid of what they might lose, paranoid of slaves. Afraid of what they might lose, paranoid of slaves iv. v. Corinthians: you should be afraid of athenians, build up enemy to make them look scary.
