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Chapter 3

POL200Y1 Chapter 3: The Republic 3

Political Science
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Clifford Orwin

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344 b and c:
Actual shepherds only benefit sheep until they become beneficial to humans
The end of Thrasymachus' speech is the unjust life is superior to the just life
Socrates and Thrasymachus agree on the standards of the just and unjust:
Socrates is arguing that being just is more beneficial for him
Both least agree on altruism
o The belief of selfless concern for the well-being of others
Socrates draws distinction between art of money making and other arts being discussed
o The art that benefits us is not the same art we use to benefit others
o Persuasive on money making, but does this counter Thrasymachus?
No because he is only showing how right Thrasymachus is
o If ruling were rewarding in itself, rulers would ask for a separate reward than what
they are already being rewarded
Glaucon taking over argument:
Glaucon believes himself to be a good ruler
What does one get out of going into politics?
o Seems to be a burden for some
Thrasymachus' Blush:
Form of embarrassment
Socrates may be interested in hearing what other people has to say as a way to learn
Glaucon and Adeimantus:
Glaucon seems more interesting and long-winded of the two brothers
What does Glaucon demand Socrates to show in the argument?
o Prove justice for its own good and its own sake, not only the consequences
Glaucon states three types of goods:
o Things we want for its own sake
o Things we want for its own sake and benefit
o Things we want just for benefit
Glaucon and Adeimantus try to build the strongest case against justice and ask Socrates to
argue with justice
Justice becomes a means used by the weak to keep the strong from oppressing them
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