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PSYC 471
Richard Koestner

PSYC 471 Lecture # 5 The last 2 classes and today we focused on how goals can astray and the problems we can have in goal setting. • Focused on the difficulties of trying to maintain a restricted diet • Showed some evidence that it is not something we can control • Last class spoke about elite gymnastics and considered the possibility that this might be a case of over-control, of exercising too much self-control and persisting in something that may actually be leading to maladaptive outcomes rather than adaptive outcomes Today: • Unrequited love • Interesting from a goal perspective because it introduces the issue of when do we decide that a goal is unattainable and how do we get ourselves to disengage and reorient? Slide # 3 Baumeister did research and tried to answer the question 'why does unrequited love occur?' and he focused on how it is experienced by both people involved in the phenomenon. • He would suggest that most of us understand very well what it is like to be the pursuer and what that experience is likelihood • He also thinks that the major problem and why unrequited love persists is because many of us don't really know what it's like to be the person being pursued.And what a difficult and uncomfortable role that is ◦ The light he sheds on the role of the person being pursued is an interesting part of his book Slide # 4 • There are two people, one wants it to be an exclusive romantic relationship and the other person is not interested in that. ◦ The issue with unrequited love, it's not a problem if you like someone and they don't reciprocate, the problem is only if we persists and behave in a way that shows the person that we are persisting and we still want them to change there mind. – The behavioral persistence continues far too long. – Video of The Bachelor – Baumeister research shows that hwen we get into the role of the unrequited lover, we do some of these crazy things too. We will ask the other person why don't you like me? Why didn't you choose me?And we will persists. – It's actually the person doing the rejecting that is most worried about the other persons feelings and they try to let them down gently. – The Bachelor lied, he should have said 'you frighten me' when asked why he didn't pick her Slide # 5/6 • Baumeister study • Found that 95% could recall a detailed narrative of a powerful experience of unrequited love. • But in more than 50 % of the cases students had both types of experience – the pursuer + the pursued. • It was more common to be the person pursued that to be the pursuer • Having such a large % of students who had both kinds of experiences he decided to only use the accounts from people who had both kinds of experiences • He would only analyse the narratives when people had been in the role of the would be lover and the rejecter • By doing this: when we think of a persistent person we often think it is something about their personality and may even think it is something pathological. ◦ But by selecting students who had played both roles, it means that the groups of narratives about being the one whose pursued is written by exactly the same people as the group of narratives about the person doing the pursuing ▪ So it is very balanced and takes the possibility that certain personality factors are driving someone to be in the role of the pursuer versus the person who is pursued. It takes this out of the equation. ▪ Thus all the results are from the same group of people who are writing about their experience in the 2 very different roles. ▪ This makes it easy to talk about this as something that is role related rather than personality related. Slide # 7 The first question he wanted to look at was “why does it happen?” Why is unrequited love so frequent and why does it occur in the first place? • He identified 3 different scenarios • These 3 are not mutually exclusive (#1 will will a role in almost all examples prof gives) 1) Falling Upward ◦ Most common ◦ Refers to the fact that quite often we fall for someone who is in someway more romantically desirable than we are ◦ There is probably a good consensus among one's group as to who is the most romantically desirable ◦ Physical attraction plays a large part, but other factors do play a role too (voice, traits) ◦ If we fall for someone who is more romantically desirable than us it is very likely that our love will go unrequited ◦ Evidence on interpersonal attractions shows that at the outset we are all drawn to the maximally attractive other. ◦ If asked who do you like most, the vast majority of people will pick the person who's most romantically desirable. ▪ Research also demonstrates that who we end up marrying is people at the same level as us ▪ Can cut out pictures and put all men together and all women together and have them rated on attractiveness. ▪ Then you correlate the partners and you find there is about a .5 correlation. ▪ People tend to end up marrthng someone who is pretty close to them th ▪ If someone is in the 30 percentile, they will marry someone close to the 30 percentile. ▪ It's not a perfect correlation but its still high. Slide # 9 • She has to go through process of throwing off different men • When 6 are left the show changes, and they brought in 6 really good looking men • They showed the faces of the average Joe and they all had their faces down • They all thought they had a chance to win, but when they realized it was an open market and there were other people out there, they quickly recognized that they were doomed. ◦ She eventually chose the swimsuit model Baumeister: we may by nature be drawn to the most attractive but why don't we stop doing this and pursue people who are closer to us? – There is a basic problem in how we judge ourselves and how we judge others in terms of attractiveness – The tendency is to inflate our own rating (if 50% you think you are at the 70%) – you may pursue a girl who you think is at the 70% and you may be judging her accurately but she thinks she is at the 90% – You see it as 2 people in the 70 percentile – She sees it as 90-50 – Thus there are some biases that will lead us to get into something that is way out of reach So the most common scenario is falling upward, and if we fall in love with someone who is more romantically desirable (Baumeister would say) our love will go unrequited (unless you are on some show where they purposely exclude everyone above the 50 percentile) Slide # 11 2) Intrusion of romantic feelings into a platonic friendship: ◦ Baumeister says that evidence suggests that we don't choose our friends based on attractiveness, even our opposite sex friends. ◦ We choose them out because of common interest, circumstances, we live nearby and bump into them. ◦ But when you have a friend you spend a lot of time together, there are intimate moments, there is self-disclosure and it's not at all uncommon for romantic feelings to arise. ◦ Baumeister says that the problem is that it only arises in 1 of the 2 people and usually in the less attractive person ▪ And now you go back to #1 of falling upwards ▪ It is very difficult when to people are friends and when ever romantic feelings are felt there is a discomfort and difficulty in maintaining the friendship. ▪ Baumeister: sexual involvement is not a good way to discourage romantic love. – Baumeister: the person who is the would be lover not only believe that winning this person is the most important thing for themselves, they also convince themselves that the best thing for this person would be if they were involved with themselves. – There is something very biased in the perspective of the would be lover 3) Transition from casual to dating relationship ◦ The criteria for going on a date are very different for the criteria for getting into a relationship. ◦ Often someone will agree to a date out of politeness, small interest or they may even be interested and ask you out. ▪ But once the date(s) take place, its often the case that the feelings of the 2 people do not progress in the same direction and at the same pace. ▪ Often one person after a few dates thinks 'this is the person for me' while the other person thinks 'I don't know about this' • It is usually the less attractive person who speedily moves towards deciding this is the person for me ◦ And now they face scenario # 1 again ◦ Sometimes there actually was an interest, and often the person who did the asking out decides they don't want to take it any further. ◦ Now the person who was asked out wonders why they were even asked out if the other person wasn't really interested in them. ◦ But people don't know this at the beginning, the assumptions you have when you agree to a date are different from the assumptions you have when you agree to be in a romantic relationship. – After 3 dates with Debbie he is ready to propose to her – She went in the other direction – Often one person declares their love and feelings, and if you declare it too early you may not even have a chance to let the friendship and relationship go any further. – Baumeister: teacher is fooling himself when he says he didn't really persist. – To him he “he tried and failed” to her “ He tried, he failed, he tried again and again and again” – The big problem is that people persist when logic, common courtesy, and rational pragmatism would suggest that we should stop yet we don't stop So why do people persist when the other person says I don't have these feelings for you? • At root the problem is that many of us think we can change their mind (by changing the way we dress ...) • When Baumeister analyzed the accounts he was struck by the perceptual differences between the rejecter and the pursuer • We usually think about the pursuer, you may think this is a sad role. But he found something bittersweet. ◦ When people talk about having been rejected, they talk about it as a high stakes gamble or a heroics quest ▪ I met this amazing person, I knew they were out of my reach but i gave it my best shot.And even when it looked like i failed i still tried • Baumeister noted the perceptual difference where for the person who is in pursuit it is a noble quest, t
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