PHLA11H3 Lecture Notes - Lecture 5: Subjectivism, Theism, Relativism

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Relativism and disagreement: prinz: appears that moral disagree can argue for relativism, but a problem: it"s not clear that relativism or subjectivism can even recognize that there is a phenomenon of moral disagreement to begin with. A problem with subjectivism and relativism: its either subjectivism and relativism is internally contradictory or it makes moral disagreement impossible. Person b: abortion is morally impermissible: it seems that abortion is both permissible and impermissible, therefore subjectivism is internally contradictory and thus it cannot be true. Culture b: abortion is morally impermissible: it seems abortion is both morally permissible and impermissible, so relativism is internally contradictory, and thus cannot be true. A way out of the problem: prinz says that if i believe something is immoral, i don"t mean that it is immoral, period. What i mean is that it is wrong for, or according to me.

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If relativism is true, can you ever judge something as being morally wrong? Consider some really horrible actions, genocide, murder, slavery, torture or add your own. If you feel a relativist could say that these things are actually wrong, what gives them this ability? If they can't, why not?

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Similarly to what I said in the first discussion on what morality means to us, I think everyone has their own set of moral principles and obligations. So I do think that relativism is true, to a point however. I used Adolf Hitler and the Nazi empire as an example in the first discussion so I will use that here. Hitler knew in his brain that what he was doing was good for his nation and arguably the world. Now, as a modern day society we can agree that was wrong. For him, it was good. In his own mind, he is right. But it is relative to the person. Generally speaking we all have similar notions of what is right and what is wrong. Most people would say that going out of your way to help someone else is a morally good principle. Selflessness in society is seen a good thing by the vast majority of people. When I say that relativism is good to a point, I mean that there is a general basis in society that deems actions as good or bad. And since most of us would all agree that hitlers actions were bad, then we say that he had bad moral principles, even though to him, they were good. It’s a little confusing even for me to put into words. Basically, if you actions are generally viewed in society as good, then you have good moral principles even if they vary from person to person. No one will have the exact same moral standards, but generally they all are very similar in society. So relativism is true until the point where the majority of society would deem your actions and wrong. I hope this makes sense.

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If relativism is true, I don't think judging something as morally wrong is possible. Because the definition of ethical relativism is the moral standard only being correctly relative to each person/society, this means that the moral standard is created by you and/or the society you identify with and therefore eliminate the existence of an absolute moral principle. Since the moral standard is different for every individual, we cannot say that someone is morally wrong. If relativism is applied, that is. If a relativist were to say that they could judge someone as morally wrong, then that would contradict the main component of being a relativist. That every moral argument of yours is correct, therefore everyone else's is also correct. Quite problematic but that is my understanding on the matter

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