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Political Science
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POL101Y1
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Civil military relations and democracy lecture notes 12/6/10
Problems of the guardians
z Democracies still live in a world of states
z From feudal to mass armies
z Draft versus professional armies.
You fail to raise the military, fail to loose the state
Mass armies, citizen armies are really powerful
Problem of the guardians
z Who guards the guards? (they guards themselves, but they actually can not guards
themselves)
z What is the mode of control of civilians over the military?
z Huntington subjective versus objective
z Coup of 2012 was the problem lack of subjective versus objective civilian control?
z Article about McChrystal: Was problem subjective versus objective control?
z Recent debate: don't ask, don't tell
Subjective model: from the citizen ring, must commitment to democracy
In the objective model: its not training to being politicians, they are professionalized, obey and
fight, use them to kill people,
Military in poor democracies
z Corrupt states
z Weak institutions
z Overloaded with economic demands
z Raw social power confronts the state
z Coup detat (military power)
z Restoring order
Military in rich democracy
z Increasingly professionalized
z Special case f US:
Obedience to authority
z Ultimately comes down to a question of why people obey.
z Three reasons: habit (you obey, you always obey), interest, legitimacy (source of the order is
legitimacy).
z Three kinds of legitimacy: traditional, legal-rational, charismatic.
Legitimacy
z Traditional (ideal type)
z Embodied in hereditary monarch
z No rules but reciprocity
z Legal-rational (ideal type)
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Civil military relations and demlecture notes 12610 Problems of the guardians z Democracies still live in a world of states z From feudal to mass armies z Draft versus professional armies. You fail to raise the military, fail to loose the state Mass armies, citizen armies are really powerful Problem of the guardians z Who guards the guards? (they guards themselves, but they actually can not guards themselves) z What is the mode of control of civilians over the military? z Huntington subjective versus objective z Coup of 2012 was the problem lack of subjective versus objective civilian control? z Article about McChrystal: Was problem subjective versus objective control? z Recent debate: dont ask, dont tell Subjective model: from the citizen ring, must commitment to democracy In the objective model: its not tra
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