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Civil military relations and democracy lecture notes 12/6/10
Problems of the guardians
z Democracies still live in a world of states
z From feudal to mass armies
z Draft versus professional armies.
You fail to raise the military, fail to loose the state
Mass armies, citizen armies are really powerful
Problem of the guardians
z Who guards the guards? (they guards themselves, but they actually can not guards
z What is the mode of control of civilians over the military?
z Huntington subjective versus objective
z Coup of 2012 was the problem lack of subjective versus objective civilian control?
z Article about McChrystal: Was problem subjective versus objective control?
z Recent debate: don't ask, don't tell
Subjective model: from the citizen ring, must commitment to democracy
In the objective model: it’s not training to being politicians, they are professionalized, obey and
fight, use them to kill people,
Military in poor democracies
z Corrupt states
z Weak institutions
z Overloaded with economic demands
z Raw social power confronts the state
z Coup d’etat (military power)
z Restoring order
Military in rich democracy
z Increasingly professionalized
z Special case f US:
Obedience to authority
z Ultimately comes down to a question of why people obey.
z Three reasons: habit (you obey, you always obey), interest, legitimacy (source of the order is
z Three kinds of legitimacy: traditional, legal-rational, charismatic.
z Traditional (ideal type)
z Embodied in hereditary monarch
z No rules but reciprocity
z Legal-rational (ideal type)
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