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Regina Höschele

CH 1 Beautiful youngAutolycus has an almost paralyzing effect on the symposiasts - philosophers make Callias’dining room more stately as they are persons of pure aspirations, unlike generals or politicians (231) - Socrates describes himself as an amateur philosopher compared to the men Callias’pays for instruction (232) - “beauty has something naturally regal about it, especially if it is combined with modesty and self-control in the possessor, as it was then inAutolycus” (232) - Auto caught everyones eye and attention, and every man was moved at the sight of him (232) - Some went silent, others underwent some sort of transformation. “possession by a god always seems to have a remarkable effect” (232) - “those who are influenced by other gods tend to become more intimidating in their appearance, more truculent in their speech, and more aggressive in their conduct; but those who are inspired by a pure love wear a kindlier expression and speak in a gentler tone and behave in a more civil manner. Such was the effect that Callias’love had upon him on this occasion, as was duly noted by those who were initiates of this god (232) - Thus they proceeded to dine in silence, as if under orders to do so (233) - Philippus the comedian said he cam fully equipped with everything he needed for dining at another person’s house (233) - Eranos feast? - philippus tells two jokes, both fall flat, he cover his head in shame, for if laughter has gone is occupation is ruined (233) - No one will invited him eilapine style because no one wants to go to his house (234) CH 2 Socrates on drinking: “little and often” - Socrates rejects perfume from Callias, as it is not suited for men, much like one type of clothing is suited for women, another for men. In the same way the smells that suit men are different; no man daubs himself with scent for another man’s benefit (235) - Socrates says everyone has their own natural scent, and perfume makes them smell all alike (236) - The smell that accompanies training is pleasing and worthy of a cultured person (236) - Lycon asks about those who are too old for exercise. Socrates says they should smell of Decency and goodness (236) - This does not come from a perfumery, but from where “theognis told us” - “Good company will edify you: bad Will rob you even of the wits you had” - by observing the dancing girl with hoops, Socrates says that “women have no less natural ability than men; only they lack judgement and physical strength” (237) - Interesting because Xenophon says the girl has judged the correct height to throw her hoops in time with the music (237) - Ahh, this is explained when Socrates continues on “so any one of you who has a wife can teach her with confidence any skill he would like her to acquire and practise” (237) - Socrates wife was pretty difficult to get on with, and he reasons this is like a horseman who keeps high-spirited horses, knowing that if he can control those, he can ride any horse. In the same manner, if he can put up with his wife he can get on with any other person (237) - Courage is a thing that can be taught (girl dancing through swords, in spite of her sex is so daring) (237-8) - By the example of the boy dancer, socrates says it is important to train every part of your body at the same time, not one part at the expense of another (238-9) - Wine refreshes the heart, puts you to sleep, and makes you happy (239) - Human body is effected like plants are: too much water, they can’t stand up or breathe in fresh air; the pleasant amount and they grow straight and flourish and reach the fruiting stage. In humans if we pour out all the drinker at once both are bodies and minds Will quickly let us down or breath and speak; the perfect amount allows a playful mood (240) Ch 3 Socrates proposes that the groups prove their ability to entertain one another. Callias will concede if everyone tells what their greatest asset or accomplishment is. The result is a bit paradoxical - the symposiasts naturally think themselves better than the entertainment. Thus they should try their own hand at amusing the company (241) - Callias thinks he can make people better (241) (recall quote on love, and how it breeds kindness, as opposed to intimidation from the gods) - By teaching moral goodness (242) - Antisthenes says that courage and wisdom might also be injurious to one’s friends and country (I think he means this to be a skill to be taught, not an all-round excellence of moral goodness); but moral goodness has no connexion at all with wickedness (242) - My question is, cannot the honorable thing reap bad consequences? - another says that he can recall the Iliad and Odyssey by heart (242) - Antisthenes says that professional reciters can do the same (242) - But Socrates says, not to worry, because surely an aristocrat like this man (Niceratus) understands the underlying ideas (242) - Critobulus says his good looks (242-3) - Antisthenes his wealth (243) - Hermogenes asks him if he has a lot of money, and he swore he hadn’t so much as a shilling; asks if he has a lot of land, and he says very little (243) - Charmides is proud of his poverty (243) - Socrates says it is a gratifying asset, as it could not provoke jealousy or rivalry and remains safe without protection, and neglect improves it (243) - Socrates is proud of his skill as a procurer, and says that if he chose such a profession he would be able to make a ton of money (243) - Lycon is proud of his son,Auto (244) - Anthisthenes presumesAuto is proud of being a “champoion” to which auto rejects, blushing (244) - Auto says he is proud of his father, cuddling him as he says so (244) - Callias says to this that Lycon is the richest man alive, as he wouldn’t accept all the wealth of a great king for his son (244) - Hermogenes is delighted by the goodness and influence of his friends, and that having such qualities they care for him. To which the guests ask if they might be introduced to these friends (244) CH 4 Each guest must now justify his assertion - Callias makes people morally better by giving them money (245) - Antisthenes says “do you think that people keep their morality in their souls or in their pockets?” (245) - Callias says souls, to whichAnti asks how does he make their souls morally better if he puts money into their pockets (245) - Callias says it prevents crime like theft (245) - The beneficiaries do not return the money, or do any favors for Callias, in fact are often more hostile. To whichAnti says it is curious that he can make them fair towards everyone but Callias (246) - Callias says that carpenters make houses for large numbers of people but they themselves live in rented homes (246) - Niceratus has internalized the knoweldge presented in homer, and it has made him a good counselor (246) - Critobulus, as a handsome man, has the world served to him without much effort (248) - He would gladly be a slave to his lover, who is equally handsome (248) - Beauty inspires admirers to be more generous with money, gives then courage in the fact of danger, a thirst for glory, but it also makes them more modest and self-controlled because they feel reverence for what they most desire (248) - anyone who wants to be able to behave decently ought to refrain from kissing th eyoung and attractive as it will incite desire (250) - Charmides poverty frees him from his former anxities, andAnti is wealthy due to the simplicity of hsi life, and hermogenes friends are actually the gods (251) - Charmides: better to be confident than frightened (wealth = jealousy and rivalry, poverty = no one cares) (251) - In poverty he is like a dictator, wher
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