Conversion- richard bulliet (islamic scholar) medieval conversion to islam slower process many centuries was able to show after much research the s curve- Available convert pool is diverse- phyche and ethnicity: historical contextual setting is crucial for the conversion timing & scale. Webers sect church dynamic- sects and churches are oriented toward a) distinctive types of religious intensity or experience, and b) competing. Attracts intense types, 2 stigma attached to it, overall public rep of the sect keep the numbers down. The making of orthodoxy what the true message, the true teachings. Successful sects thus move in thye direction of becoming churches -> thus sets the stage for a new upsurge of sect formation -> the successful again become churches. Weber sees a general cyclical pattern passing from tradition to a charismatic upsurge of rigor enthusiasm, zeal, which eventually leads to a new tradition, opening space for new charisma. Provides a good illustration of webers idea b/c he studied it.